Re: Sanctioniong of AERC Rides

[lindavaneq@juno.com]

On Wed, 9 Dec 1998 07:45:01 -0700 "Robert Morris" <bobmorris@rmci.net>
writes:
>
>I have been following the discussions of the new Limited Distance =
>definition of rides 0 to 49 miles in length. I have noticed that 
>several =
>Ride Managers have mentioned that rather than put on LD rides in =
>conjunction with their regular Endurance ride they are considering 
>going =
>to the CTR format and thus circumvent the AERC fees.=20
>
>Please explain to me how this circumvention fits into the AERC Rules 
>and =
>Regulations  while a non sanctioned "Pleasure Ride" does not. I have =
>perused the AERC Rule Book and can find no reference to such a 
>situation =
>and in fact do not find any direct mention of CTR's at all. Nor do I =
>find any mention of the AERC accepting the sanctioning of any thing =
>other than "Endurance Rides" and "Limited Distance Rides".
>

Bob, 

AERC does not accept sanctioning of CTR's as AERC events.  But, that does
not preclude managers from holding rides concurrently, which are
sanctioned by organizations other than AERC.  AMF it happens on occasion
as mentioned in rule:

11.8 A ride offering any single prize valued in excess of $1000, with the
     exception of futurities and other contributory schemes supported by
an
     organization recognized by the AERC, shall engage an AERC steward to
     monitor the event and shall pay the steward's expenses. 

Key words here are " supported by an organization recognized by the
AERC".  This would imply we recognize control by other organizations. 
FEI, AHSA, IAHA come to mind.  


>Would it not then be in contravention of AERC Rules and Regulations if 
>=
>the UMECTRA Group continues to hold their joint endurance and CTR 
>rides =
>under the same venue? Would it not then be in contravention of AERC =
>Rules and Regulations if the several Ride Managers, I have heard 
>express =
>the intent to hold CTR's, also do this?
>
>If I am incorrect in my assumption please direct me to the pertinent =
>sections of the AERC Rules and Regulations, the AERC By-laws and or 
>the =
>AERC Articles of Incorporation. Realize also, these three documents 
>are =
>the only governing items for our organization. Ride Manager's 
>Handbooks =
>and other such policies are not governing documents.If rides under 
>other =
>venues, such as CTR, are to be allowed, then the supporting documents 
>=
>must be changed.>

Why?   AERC does not say this is inconsistent or unacceptable.

The reason AERC proposed to count 0-49 miles as LD was to make sure rides
other than 25-35 were following some kind of rules and not being run as
some kind of demolition derby with no Vet control.  This was to keep AERC
(and horses) safe from the legal fall-out (or human stupidity) of these
potential disasters.  CTR rides are sanctioned with controls which should
avoid this kind of problem from happening.  If RM's want to sanction in
an organization other than AERC, as long as AERC recognizes that
organization, why not?

Now, question is, where is that list of organization's AERC recognizes. 
Perhaps this is the policy you seek, Bob.  Would you like to submit a
proposal?

Linda Van Ceylon
AERC Mountain Region
Sanctioning Director