Re: probiotics and flexxion products (arthritis)

["Duncan Fletcher" <dfletche@gte.net>]

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From: California Horse Adventures <wendyl@jps.net>


>Last year I found a product that improved my horse's performance so
>much that I went to work for the company that makes them as a rep.
>As far as I know, it is the only company that produces supplements
>for horses that with 100 percent certified organic, HUMAN GRADE
>ingredients.

Assuming organic is somehow significantly beneficial (I have my doubts),
what advantage is there to 100% organic supplements if the bulk of the diet
is not organic? Is there any difference between, say soy meal used for human
consumption and soy meal used for animal feed?

> They are made fresh and shipped the same day so no
>preservatives either. I don't work at selling the products so don't have
>1000s of references but can honestly say that every single person
>that has bought them has reported back to me that they work wonders.

Uh, has anyone seen a truly unbiased study of anything that reaches 100%?
Only if the study is done by the salesman.

>  If you want a brochure please email me with your address and I will
>mail you one. When you purchase a product from this company,
>WINNIE'S COOKIES they give you a free consultation with their nutritionist,
>who is just terrific.

Uh, without slamming this particularly nutritionist, my general experience
with 'nutritionists' that work for companies selling  products is rather
poor - most have just enough knowledge to sell their product. The problem is
if you have enough knowledge to evaluate what they are telling you, you
don't need their advice. If you don't have that knowledge, you have no way
of knowing whether what they say is correct.

>  An important thing to remember is: all nutrients work best in the proper
>form and combinations that they are naturally found in.  For example,
>glucosamines are utilized more productively when assisted by natural
>occuring vitamins, minerals, amino acids, enzymes and co-enzymes.
>  For example: zinc helps the body utilize vitamin B. Vitamins C, A, D
>and E are important to proper production of collagen. Everything works best
>in combinations, which is why it is always better to eat whole foods.

It sounds like a good reason to give up supplements and stick to hay. OTH,
since most people feed supplements at feeding time, they are getting them in
conjunction with whole food - regardless of the formulation of the
supplement. There are two implications here. The first is that formulated
feeds may leave out some substance of which we are not aware that exists in
whole foods. I think that is a reasonable statement. The second implication
is that the substance must fed simultaneously - but that raises the question
of how simultaneous: seconds, minutes, hours, days. That will undoubtably
depend on whether the absorbtion of the nutrient is dependent on some other
nutrient and on the bodies ability to store a given nutrient. Those are very
dependent on the specific nutrient and cannot be generalized.

>  A few of the products available are: WINNFLEX, a terrific
>pharmaceutical quality glucosamine product  (I have seen terrific results
in
>horses with arthritis with this altho I use it to keep my 100 mile horse
>comfortable. He used to get Legend shots but this works better)
>  WINNDOPHILUS an incredibly potent live probiotic - compare to any other
>probiotic on the market: Winn-Dophilus has 25 BILLION cells per gram
>    And my horse's favorites:
>WINNIE'S COOKIES - a complete nutritional SUPPLEMENT in a super yummy
cookie
>Fresh, free from chemicals and preservatives, and in a complete form
>SENT TO YOU THE SAME DAY THEY ARE BAKED

Uh, how does one bake something and preserve heat sensitive vitamins? And
exactly what is a complete supplement? Complete as in no other food
required? Complete as in sufficient selenium for a selenium deficient area
or complete as in no selenium of a selenium toxic area? Complete for a horse
being fed an orchardgrass diet that might need added calcium? Complete for a
horse being fed alfalfa which needs no additonal calcium?

>
>Last year I took my competition horse off all supplements except these.
>His perfomance improved beyond belief. Of course all the other horses
>ended up on them too - the babies, the pregnant mare, and even the dogs!

Which of course require a totally different diet than horses. Gee, should I
feed to my fish, also?

>( the dogs LOVE the cookie supplements, plus they get Winnies K-9,
>which supplies them with probiotics, enzymes, anti inflammatories and
>nutrients.)

Why does a normal healthy dog need an aspirin substitute?

>ALL the animals here look fabulous - we always get comments
>on the dogs and horses coats (which tell a tale).

OTH, there are plenty of sick animals out there with health coats.

>OK enough yakking.  contact me and I will write or call back and/or
>mail a brochure promptly.  (hope to figure out how to build a web site
>and advertise on endurancenet beginning in Jan)


> Wendy
>