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> From: ridecamp-d-request@endurance.net
> To: ridecamp-d@endurance.net
> Subject: ridecamp-d Digest V97 #572
> Date: Monday, September 01, 1997 9:59 PM
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> ridecamp-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 572
>
> Today's Topics:
> Valerie Kanavy at the Nafraiture ride in Belgium
> Biothane for harness racing
> EARN $2,000-5,000/Week Part Time
> Kil;ing Spam
> Re: Long & Short of Bulk Mail
> Thanks for good ideas
> Re: sand colic, tragedy
> stretches (Knee Blow Out)
> Re: What I want in a ride
> Re: Biothane for harness racing
> Income Madness-Unlimited Income!
> Re: total time vs ride time
> RE: Shoeing ???
> Knees
> SPAM Reporting
> Death of Frances Johnson
> Re: Income Madness-Unlimited Income!
> Re: Income Madness-Unlimited Income!
> Labor Day rides
> Removing from spam lists
> Ride Costs
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 11:40:52 +0200
> From: Leonard.LIESENS@dg10.cec.be
> To: <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Subject: Valerie Kanavy at the Nafraiture ride in Belgium
> Message-ID:
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> Hi all,
> This sunday I went to Nafraiture (this is in Belgium no far from the fr=
> ench
> border in the beautiful region of the Semois Valley in the Ardennes) fo=
> r the
> first 50miles ride of my arab gelding Orpheo that I bought some 3 month=
> ago.
> On the parking area there was a little women with blond hair speaking e=
> nglish,
> well american english to be precise. Maybe somebody having a friend in =
> Belgium
> and willing to have some fun by taking part of the ride... But no this =
> face is
> well known... Let's introduce me and have some chat... Leonard Liesens,=
> nice to
> meet you... Valerie Kanavy, nice to meet you...
>
> Here we are...=20
>
> Valerie is currently doing a trip in Europe. She came to visit his good=
> friend
> Victor here in Belgium. Next week she will be in Florac (France) and sh=
> e will
> take part to the famous 160 KM of Florac. After that she will be in Ro=
> me for
> the European Championship and she will take part to the race as well.
>
> Voil=E0...=20
>
> Greetings from Belgium.
>
> Leonard Liesens
>
> =
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 12:18:55 +0200
> From: Leonard.LIESENS@DG10.cec.be
> To: <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Subject: Biothane for harness racing
> Message-ID:
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>
> Hi all,
> I know that this is not directly endurance related, but the people on
this list have such a huge knowledge that my question can surely be
answered.
>
> A friend of mine does harness racing with standardbred in France and
Belgium and is literally crazy about my biothane tack. He would like the
same but applied on harness racing.
> I surfed on the net looking for those product but didn't find anything
harness and biothane related.
>
> Does anybody know a tack shop distributing those items?
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> Leonard Liesens, from Belgium
>
> ------------------------------
>
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> Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 06:29:13 -0500
> From: Judith Cooke <jcooke@erols.com>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Kil;ing Spam
> Message-ID: <340AA709.518A@erols.com>
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> Bill,
> I would very much appreciate it if you would send me the instructions on
> how to stop spamming. Your right, I am dealing with it from several
> sources and it is getting annoying. Especially when I get the same ad
> from every list !
>
> Thanks for the help,
>
> Judith
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 08:38:23 -0400 (EDT)
> From: KTAADNPB@aol.com
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Long & Short of Bulk Mail
> Message-ID: <970901083823_432990365@emout15.mail.aol.com>
>
> I'm new to the list and am enjoying it immensely. I admire you all! I
seem
> to have lost a lot of my gitupandgo, so hopefully you will inspire me. I
> know I need a trailer because at 50 - even before - I've discovered that
I
> don't seem to ride as much on my own initiative.
>
> Anyway, my purpose for writing is to let ride secretaries know that I am
a
> bulk mailing specialist for the Postal Service. Sometimes it isn't cost
> effective for you to have your own bulk mail permit if you mail out just
a
> few hundred pieces per year - you've got to pay $85 for your annual bulk
> mailing permit, and you may want to pay a one-time fee of $85 for a
permit
> imprint so you don't have to worry about stamps or metering.
>
> But you smaller mailers, don't despair - mailhouses (look in your phone
book
> under Mailing Services) will presort your pieces for you and enter them
under
> their own permits, saving you the annual and one time fees. Sometimes
they
> can enter the mail at cheaper rates than you can, because they may have a
> permit at a sectional center facility, which shaves off a bit and may
make up
> for what they tack on per piece for those pieces that stay within the
area
> served by that SCF. This is how they have managed to eke out a living.
Not
> to mention the burden taken off you! They can do the whole job for you,
from
> printing to presorting to delivering to the post office, sometimes
cheaper
> than you can do it yourself. Worth a look.
>
> If you do want to do things yourself, we have a guide for presorting by
hand
> and there's also mailing list management software for under $100 that can
do
> lots of things for you, and also spit out your labels, even barcoded, in
the
> correct presorted order. Doesn't get much easier than that. That's how
the
> mailhouses do it, just with more bells and whistles. If you design your
> letters to conform with our automated equipment (maximum 2.5 oz for
> nonbarcoded), you won't need to make those pesky packages of 10 or more
with
> the red D's and green 3's, etc, that some of you may be cringing at the
> thought of. It's so much easier now.
>
> A great benefit to bulk mailing standard class (used to be called third
> class) is that you don't pay postage by ounce increments as you do with
first
> class. Let's say you have a 2 ounce piece - would be $.55 single piece
first
> class. With standard mail, it's the same price regardless of weight, all
the
> way up to 3.3 ounces. You could have a race program/info, plus even a
return
> envelope (we'll design it free for you with your correct barcode), and
keep
> it under 3.3 ounces. If you have certain zip code groupings of mail, you
get
> lower rates, but even for the most dispersed piece - in a format that
can't
> run on our automated equipment (staples, over a 1/4 inch thick, no
barcoding,
> etc.) you won't pay over $.256 for a letter even if it weighs 3.3 ounces,
as
> long as it's not more than 1/4 inch thick. If it is, it will cost a few
> pennies more.
>
> Now, should I tell you about nonprofit mail??? If you qualify for
postal
> nonprofit rates, figure on just over half of that rate quoted above. How
> does .132 sound for a 3.3 ounce piece? Doesn't cost to apply for
nonprofit
> rates - and you can get that nonprofit status and still use a business
> mailhouse to prepare your mailing, saving you the annual fees and
one-time
> charge for permit imprint. (Get your nonprofit status recognized at the
post
> office where the mailhouse enters mail.)
>
> Standard mail can go over 3.3 ounces, too - all the way up to just under
16
> ounces - then the rate is determined by a piece rate and a pound rate.
You
> can also mail flats (pieces that exceed letter dimensions, cost a bit
more
> but sometimes worth it).
>
> I'd be glad to give anyone further information or phone numbers for help
in
> your area. Your local postmasters can help or refer you. Ask your
local
> postmaster for Publication 417 (has eligibility info and application
form) to
> see if your group can qualify as postal nonprofit. I'd have to have more
> specifics about your organization to help you there.
>
> Pam in Maine
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 08:01:35 -0700
> From: "Carol Barrett" <cbar@lightspeed.net>
> To: <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Subject: Thanks for good ideas
> Message-Id: <199709011449.HAA28539@lsbsdi1.lightspeed.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
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>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Thanks for responding to my missives regarding my ride. Some of you had
> REALLY good ideas. I think this forum is great for communicating between
> ride managers, riders and other interested parties. We can all learn so
> much from each other to help improve our experience with endurance
riding.
>
> Quite frankly, it's because of you folks, and the other riders I have
> befriended, that I love this sport like I do!
>
> See you on the trail.
>
> Carol Barrett
> ("Mom" to Hoss and Rocky, who just got his first chiropractic adjustment
> and, well, I'm just amazed by the difference in his gait! Consequently,
I'm
> now a reformed skeptic)!
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 11:13:51 -0400 (EDT)
> From: SandyDSA@aol.com
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: sand colic, tragedy
> Message-ID: <970901111340_1682684907@emout15.mail.aol.com>
>
> In a message dated 97-09-01 05:46:54 EDT, you write:
>
> << I agree that attention to an appropriate diet is essential, with good
> roughage and balanced sources of carbohydrate. However, in some placs,
and
> with some horses, extra care will need to be taken to prevent sand
> accumulation - feeding off the ground, use of psyllium or other products
to
> increase output of sand etc.
> >>
> Indeed, sand can be the sole cause of colic, as is demonstrated regularly
by
> our 4 year old mare who, from a very tender age, has been a ground
whuffler -
> that is, she just has to pick up EVERY SPECK of EVERYTHING, food or not,
off
> the ground, and so here in southern Cal, accumulates enough sand to
nearly
> kill her on a regular basis - if it were not fo religious profferring of
> psyllium. She is like an alcoholic - under control, with good
managemanet,
> but still a sandacolic!
> sandy
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 09:21:28 -0600
> From: Elisa Eshbaugh <eshbaugh@avicom.net>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: stretches (Knee Blow Out)
> Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970901092126.0069cb44@avicom.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> A couple people asked about specific stretches for dealing with tight
> quads, so here it goes... (Please note that I am a geneticist, not a
> Physical Therapist so this consider this lay-advise; I would highly
> recommend working with a P.T. since they are the experts.)
> What I do is pretty simple. I lie on the floor face down with one leg
> straight. I then bend the other leg so that my heal almost touches my
back
> side. I use both hands to reach around and apply some downward pressure
> until I feel a good stretch in the quadriceps muscles. The key is to do
> this slowly and hold it for a couple minutes. I do this a couple times
with
> each leg. In my case it really hurts my quads but if I am doing it right.
> CAUTION - you shouldn't feel any strain on the knee or anywhere else if
you
> are doing this correctly. Stop immediately if you feel pain or twisting
on
> your knees. It can also help to have a second person putting the pressure
> on your leg while it's bent back because since it can be hard to get the
> correct position by yourself.
> I have also used quad stretches that are done in the standing or
kneeling
> position. The standing stretch works real well right before mounting or
> immediately after dismounting, but again, those who are interested should
> really ask someone in their area to SHOW THEM in person. (The standing
> version is the old, stand on one foot, lift the other and gap it and pull
> until you feel a stretching sensation in the quad muscles.)
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 11:08:03 -0400 (EDT)
> From: SandyDSA@aol.com
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: What I want in a ride
> Message-ID: <970901110711_-667585562@emout19.mail.aol.com>
>
> In a message dated 97-09-01 01:48:11 EDT, you write:
>
> << I was brand new to endurance and the fact that someone,
> especially such an important person as "The RM," knew me just thrilled
> me to death. She also called my house to tell me they had found my
> husband's watch in the bathroom and that she would send it to us.
> THAT's what makes her rides so special for me. Get to know your people.
> >>
> Some folks - like me - have trouble keeping their kids names straight
with
> their pets, so just in case Cheri or karen or someone calls me "Jane", or
> something, I won't be offended! But I do know that all three of these
RM's -
> Terry and the others - have a rela interest in the experience of their
riders
> and this is really inmportant. Thanks to Terry for sending our maps and
such
> to my little daughter who will be riding her first 25 miler at Manzanita
this
> month! Shse was really tickled!
> sandy
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 08:49:55 -0700
> From: Lauren Horn <fourhorn@fea.net>
> To: Leonard.LIESENS@DG10.cec.be
> CC: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Biothane for harness racing
> Message-ID: <340AE423.5CE1@fea.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
> Leonard.LIESENS@DG10.cec.be wrote:
>
> > I surfed on the net looking for those product but didn't find anything
harness and biothane related.
> >
> > Does anybody know a tack shop distributing those items?
>
>
> Sounds like you could start a new business Leonard!
>
> ------------------------------
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> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 09:53:27 -0700
> From: "Kathy Myers" <kathy@nvolve.com>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: total time vs ride time
> Message-Id: <v03007801b0309c83112e@[204.162.114.203]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> OK, for those who are interested and with thanks to several people on
this
> list (mostly AERC reps) this is my understanding of timing AERC sactioned
> rides... please correct me again if I get it wrong:
>
> 0) Rules get confusing... both to write and read.
>
> 1) Ride time is different from Completion time.
> [ This is where I got confused. ]
>
> 2) Completion time *includes* manditory vet holds.
>
> 3) Completion time *including manditory vet holds* cannot exceed
> 12 hours for a 50 mile ride.
>
> 4) Ride time is simply the time a rider takes to complete the 50 miles
> *excluding* manditory holds. Thus, if a ride includes a 1 hour manditory
> lunch hold, the ride time should never exceed 11 hours.
>
> 5) Ride time is what is printed in the AERC Endurance News
>
> 6) The minimum pace of an endurance ride is not set by the AERC, but
> instead by a joint effort between the ride manager and vets who set
> the manditory hold times.
>
> 7) The minimum pace of an endurance ride may differ from one ride
> to another.
>
> 8) Under special circumstances Completion Only can be granted by ride
> management and vet.
> [Just FYI I'm not knocking this, in fact I think this is a great tool
> for ride management / vets especially when used to encourage Good Sams]
>
> I wasn't trying to start a flame war here, just clear up where the
> confusion was. Guess I found out. Anyways, there it is: a layman's
> version of the total time rules... hope it helps.
>
> Respectfully,
> - kat
> in No. Cal. with Magnum the TB ex-racer
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 13:11:03 -0400 (EDT)
> From: CMikeT@aol.com
> To: QUESTFARM@aol.com
> cc: Ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: RE: Shoeing ???
> Message-ID: <970901130910_-99082966@emout18.mail.aol.com>
>
> Lennie,
>
> AERC does not have any rule whatsoever about shoeing/trimming/hoof care
and
> tries very hard no to get into that sort of thing. Whatever keeps your
horse
> going the best is what you should do. As of yet, I have never seen any
shoe
> that gives a horse an unfair advantage.
>
> Please do keep in mind that many ride manages put in their ride rules
that
> "horses must be shod" which is simply from on a old boilerplate ride rule
> form. If you want to ride barefoot, then contact the ride manager and
see if
> they have a valid reason for including that rule. Personally, I do not
> encourage riding most rides without hoof protection, but I will support
you
> if you want to try.
>
> The most important thing is whether the horse can do the ride while
remaining
> sound throughout and not impairing future health or performance.
>
> I hope this clears up this facet of the rules.
>
> Sincerely,
> Mike
>
> C. Mike Tomlinson DVM
> CMikeT@AOL.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: QUESTFARM
> Sent: Sunday, August 31, 1997 2:13 PM
> To: CMikeT
> Subject: ???
>
> The previous email just sent automatically that was wierd. anyway my
question
> is :
> Is there a shoeing regulation (limit) ect in AERC as there is in
NATRC?
> I read the online rules and didn't see one. Specifically are aggbars and
> pads allowed and are just pads and regular shoeing allowed?
>
>
> Thanks alot
> Lennie
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 15:52:48 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Barbara Madill <madill@teleplex.net>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Knees
> Message-Id: <199709011952.PAA08130@teleplex.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I'd sent this reply, privately, to Connie Peach earlier, but continuing
> commentary prompt me to share my experience.
>
> I had terrible problems with my knees when I was in my 30's (Just
a
> kid!). (Like 8 aspirin a day pain with doctor's approval). Then I
realized
> that, as a non milk drinker (also doctor advised), I needed calcium
> supplementation (doctor never mentioned THAT!! -- please remember, this
was
> nearly 30 years ago. I think that MAYBE the general practitioner has
read a
> little bit about NUTRITION since then). Within three months of starting
> Calcium, Magnesium, Zinc supplements, my knees were SO much better!
>
> Other things that helped
> -- making sure that my body was balanced to do the least amount of work
to
> keep my position so that, if the horse were suddenly to disappear, I
might
> just land standing on my feet.
> -- trying not to ride by grip
> -- trying not to "nag" the nag
>
> Despite a really bad (year long rehab) knee wrench last year (I forgot to
> turn my leg as I turned my body trying for a picture perfect mount -- at
a
> team penning, no less), I rarely take aspirin or ibuprofen except at a
ride,
> after the forty mile days. I'm usually so euphoric after the 3rd day's
> twenty that I feel no pain anyway and the analgesic helps take the edge
of
> my high off enough so I can sleep!!!
>
> Good luck and may your knees not hurt when you see your 60th birthday
coming
> YOUR way!
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 19:07:22 EDT
> From: benamil@juno.com (David Bennett)
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net, wfortner@peop.tds.net
> Subject: SPAM Reporting
> Message-ID: <19970901.190723.3678.0.benamil@juno.com>
>
> Bill -
> I sent a note to the Sys Admin of a server where a new spam message
> originated this afternoon using the method you outlined. He sent back a
> nice note thanking me for letting him know. Said that he would have a
> SERIOUS talk with that customer immediately. So, I guess that works
> pretty good!
>
> Thanks,
> Dave Bennett
> benamil@juno.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 19:46:27 -0400
> From: Jim & Julie Capaldi <hosp@mindspring.com>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Death of Frances Johnson
> Message-ID: <340B53D0.2C34@mindspring.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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>
> Nina, thank you for letting us know about the death of Frances. She was
> one in a million and a true lady. We will all miss her. Remember the
> Johnson's 50th wedding anniversary after their ride? I will always
> remember Frances in her gold outfit. It was so pretty and so fun. Our
> thoughts are with Lawton and his family. Jim and Julie Capaldi
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 20:08:13 -0400 (EDT)
> From: LHnikolai@aol.com
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Income Madness-Unlimited Income!
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> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 21:27:11 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Psytrist@aol.com
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 21:58:11 -0400 (EDT)
> From: PEGGASIS@aol.com
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Labor Day rides
> Message-ID: <970901215622_385143709@emout20.mail.aol.com>
>
> Well, lets hear how the rides went this weekend??
> How did the Gardnerville Gallop ride go?
> I was up in Utah at the XP area, I don't know how the ride went, but I do
> know it rained and rained and rained Sat. Sun. and today when we left.
More
> rain.
> Now it's raining in Las Vegas!!!!!
> Where did the sun go?
> Peggie Norton
>
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>
> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 21:57:07 EDT
> From: benamil@juno.com (David Bennett)
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Removing from spam lists
> Message-ID: <19970901.215708.3678.2.benamil@juno.com>
>
> These spam emails are sure irritating! But - if you get Ridecamp in
> digest form - and hit the 'REPLY' key and then enter a text of 'remove'
> as the spammed message sometimes instructs you to do, all you are doing
> is sending your message to the rest of your fellow ridecamper's - not to
> the machine that originated the message.
>
> The way to really stop this is to follow Bill Fortner's instructions and
> send a message to the System Administrator on the server where the spam
> originated. Most do have conditions of use for their customers that
> prohibit spamming - just read the contract that you have with your
> internet service provider! They will, as I have found, appreciate your
> help in stopping improper use of their server. Just send them a
> nice,civil, email. If you don't know how to find the server just ask
> Bill for his writeup... ( wfortner@peop.tds.net )
>
> I already did this with the latest one with the title ' Income
> Madness-Unlimited Income!' The sysop at the server says he will stop the
> service to the person originating the spam.
>
> For getting back to why we're on our list
> Dave Bennett
> Chickamauga, Georgia
> benamil@juno.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 22:02:58 -0500
> From: "Huffman Horse & Cattle Co." <HHCC1@htcomp.net>
> To: <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Subject: Ride Costs
> Message-ID: <19970902034401112.AAA286@BeckyHuffman>
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> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
> I have managed many rides since that first Cowtown Express way back in
'89
> and have learned lots of lessons. I could have bought a new truck with
what
> we lost on those rides. Big Lesson is to use a budget. It is a little
> harder that just putting down a few numbers.
>
> Some costs are fixed.
> Insurance
> Some costs are fixed once you decide on them.
> vet
> awards: placement, top weights, top 10, BC, Completion
> (for each distance)
> sanction fees
> advertising
> food for vets/volunteers
> Some costs are per rider
> per rider fees to AERC
> Misc costs
> postage
> printing
> 'stuff' like signs to camp and pens for people to sign entry forms &
> checks!
>
> I try to estimate costs that I can't pin down and than figure a per rider
> cost. Since you NEVER know how many are going to show, you just have to
> take a best guess.
>
> The examples I worked up for the 1995 Cleburne Clop
> number of entries per rider cost
> 15 $58.87
> 10 $86.20
> 20 $45.30
> number of entries is total number of riders. When you figure cost, it
does
> not matter what distance they are doing. The cost is the same for the
rider
> manager if a rider pays $35 to ride 25 miles or $135 to ride 100.. Many
> offer free or half price to juniors, but that does not lower their costs.
>
> The costs listed above will be very low for most ride managers, if you
> remember The Clop was a very basic, no frills ride. I charged $65 entry
> for 55 miles and we had 16 riders. So that was a pretty good guess.
>
> Becky
>
>
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