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Re: ridecamp-d Digest V97 #383

Linda L. Beck (llbeck@wtp.net)
Mon, 09 Jun 1997 09:17:44 -0600

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ridecamp-d-request@endurance.net wrote:
>
> ------------------------------
>
> ridecamp-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 383
>
> Today's Topics:
> lactating mare Alberta
> Re: Why
> Re: Sports Saddle
> Re: Cleaning Felt Girth
> Re: Old Dominion
> Re: Horse Camping in SD
> Re: directions to Sunriver Classic, Bend OR
> National Show Horse
> Important mare/foal reg
> Bakersfield Ride
> Heart monitor connections
> Thanks, Helmets & Safety
> [Fwd: Re: Bakersfield Ride]
> Re: Sports saddle questions
> Re: directions to Sunriver Classic, Bend OR
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 07 Jun 1997 19:26:52 -0700
> From: paddi <seamstob@telusplanet.net>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: lactating mare Alberta
> Message-ID: <339A186C.3068@telusplanet.net>
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> I would like to offer my mare to anyone needing a wet nurse in the
> Edmonton area. Foal passed on 5pm June 7.
> email me privately seamstob@telusplanet.net
> or phone 403 986-4815
> Paddi
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 07 Jun 1997 22:22:36 -0400
> From: J Smith <jansmith@teleplex.net>
> To: dbenson@juno.com (Diana L. Benson)
> Cc: ridecamp@endurance.net, JAlderman@juno.com, LallaM@aol.com,
> PaxoVasz@aol.com, gaye@abts.net, JJfxtrot32@aol.com, stepnout@swva.net,
> equest@hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: Why
> Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970608022236.0067e87c@teleplex.net>
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>
> Diana,
> Thanks enjoyed it and passed it on to a few more friends.
> A definite keeper!!
> Jan
>
> On Thu, 5 Jun 1997 11:18:17 PST
> You Wrote:
> >
> >Hi gang -
> >
> >While cleaning out drawers, I came across something I had torn out of >a
> Phelans catalog years ago. It is by Albert Borgmann from "Crossing >the
> Postmodern Divide" 1992. Hope you enjoy it.
> >Diana Benson/Joplin, MO
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >You cannot remain unmoved by the
> >gentleness and conformation of a
> >well-bred and well-trained horse - more
> >than a thousand pounds of big-boned,
> >well-muscled animal, slick of coat and
> >sweet of smell, obedient and mannerly,
> >and yet forever a menace with its
> >innocent power and ineradicable
> >inclination to seek refuge in flight, and
> >always a burden with its need to be fed,
> >wormed, and shod, with its liability to
> >cuts and infections, to laming and
> .heaves. But when it greets you with a
> >nicker, nuzzles your chest, and regards
> >you with a large and liquid eye, the
> >question of where you want to be and
> >what you want to do has been answered.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 07 Jun 1997 22:22:50 -0400
> From: jalderman@juno.com (Joanne Alderman) (by way of J Smith <jansmith@teleplex.net>)
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Sports Saddle
> Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970608022250.0067c6f8@teleplex.net>
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>
> Jan,
>
> Please post this for me. Thanks.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --------------------------------------
>
> I have a Sports Saddle that I use on my Paso Fino and I love it. He has
> medium withers, a flat back, and a round barrel. I have not had any
> problems with soring his back except once when I shifted the pad under
> the saddle and inadvertently put a kink in it. If you use the right kind
> of saddle pad underneath (firm enough so it won't kink), you should have
> no problems with soring. It's a good idea also to get a pad that allows
> air to circulate over the spine.
>
> I have heard that the soring problems with gaited horses can come from
> the rider sitting in one spot all the time, and/or the tendency for
> riders of gaited horses to sit back. If you periodically shift your
> weight, and make sure your weight is not on his loins, you shouldn't have
> any problems.
>
> Joanne Alderman
>
> On Fri, 06 Jun 1997 19:24:39 -0400 J Smith <jansmith@teleplex.net>
> writes:
> >Jo,
> >Want to responde to this one?
> >
> >Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 12:46:11 -0700
> >From: Margy Kramer <margyk@hocking.cc.oh.us>
> >To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> >Subject: Endless search for the perfect saddle
> >Message-ID: <338F2E83.611D@hocking.cc.oh.us>
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> >
> >Help! I thought I might have found it, the sports saddle. Something
> >that would fit my low flat withered, short backed, rotund fox trotter
> >that I could use on my other fox trotter and girthed western for my
> >arthritic hands. When I responded to a saddle for sale ad it turned
> >out that the saddle was for sale because it sored the back of the gaited
>
> >horse it was being used on. I've read many comments pro and con on
> >this saddle but does anyone else have any experience using it on >gaited
> horses and on a variety of horse back shapes?
> >
> >------------------------------
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 10:07:47 -0400 (EDT)
> From: RUN4BEAR@aol.com
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Cleaning Felt Girth
> Message-ID: <970608100747_2054510231@emout05.mail.aol.com>
>
> In a message dated 97-06-06 08:56:55 EDT, you write:
>
> << Ok, this is proabably a dumb question, but what's the best way to clean
> my
> felt dressage girth? This is the first felt stuff I've used, and don't want
> to ruin it with ignorance!
>
> Thanks.......................
>
> BEACON MORGAN HORSES
> Helga B. Loncosky
> http://home.ptd.net/~hblmh
> >>
>
> NOT a dumb question....the problem is you may not know what KIND of felt it
> is...wool or synthetic? The manufacturer SHOULD know. If it is wool, DO NOT
> use hot water in a washing machine or use a dryer. COLD water and woolite,
> scrub with stiff brush, line dry. Is a "hospital" fet (synthetic), you can
> machine wash and dry. Check with manufacturer...
>
> Teddy
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 10:08:01 -0400 (EDT)
> From: RUN4BEAR@aol.com
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Old Dominion
> Message-ID: <970608100800_1207978984@emout01.mail.aol.com>
>
> In a message dated 97-06-07 17:30:36 EDT, you write:
>
> << there seems to
> be a bit of gravel on those trails, or is that an understatement?)
> >>
> The OD is ALL rocks and roads..a toughie...I wish they would bring back the
> t-shirt from years ago: "it's hard to be humble when you've finished the Old
> Dominion!"
>
> Teddy
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 10:07:59 -0400 (EDT)
> From: RUN4BEAR@aol.com
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Horse Camping in SD
> Message-ID: <970608100758_814265111@emout18.mail.aol.com>
>
> In a message dated 97-06-07 15:44:35 EDT, you write:
>
> << During our trip west we were looking for some place to camp with our
> horses
> and ride. I have heard of a good place in South Dakota (it may be where
> the ROC was held in 93 and 94). Can anyone help me here with names,
> locations phone numbers, etc.
>
> Truman >>
>
> Hey, I camped at Willow Creek, right across from the KOA at Mt. Rushmore...go
> to KOA office for camping registration. Nice spot, well marked trails. You
> can go ride to overlook for the Mt. Rushmore sculptures and don't miss riding
> up to Harney Peak. Great ride, well-marked trails, nice campground.
>
> Teddy
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 08:24:44 -0700
> From: Ramey Peticolas-Stroud <ramey@wvi.com>
> To: "Ellen K. Osinski" <eko@hpbs1195.boi.hp.com>
> CC: Endurance List <endurance@moscow.com>
> Subject: Re: directions to Sunriver Classic, Bend OR
> Message-ID: <339ACEB8.1C5B@wvi.com>
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> >From Boise, take I-84 toward Portland, OR. Turn left (South) on US 97
> in the Colimbia Gorge. I believe the town at the junction is Biggs.
> Continue South on 97 to Bend, Oregon.
>
> Continue South on Hwy. 97 one mile beyond the "Y" at the junction of
> Hwys 97 and 20 on the North edge of Bend.
>
> Turn right on Division street. Proceed 1.8 miles and turn right on
> Colorado street. (Note: there is a stoplight at the junction of Colorado
> and Division.)
>
> Colorado ends 1.5 miles later at a T-junction with Century Drive. Turn
> left and proceed 12 miles. Turn left into Wanoga Sno-Park which is the
> Sunriver 100 basecamp.
>
> Good Luck,
>
> Ramey and Cynthia Peticolas-Stroud
>
> Ellen K. Osinski wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone have directions from Boise Idaho to the Sunriver Classic in
> > Bend Oregon scheduled for June 14? I checked the AERC web page, but there were
> > no directions listed.
> >
> > I am posting this for a friend. She has left a message for the ride manager,
> > but has not yet had a reply.
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
> > --
> > Regards-
> > eko
> > __
> > | | __________________________________________________
> > | | | |
> > | \ | Ellen K. Osinski |
> > | \ | Hewlett Packard |
> > | | | Color Laserjet and Consumables Division |
> > \ \ | 11413 Chinden Blvd |
> > / \ | Boise, ID 83714-1023 |
> > | ---/\ | |
> > | | | |
> > | | | phone : (208) 396-4904 FAX: (208) 396-6931 |
> > | * | | e-mail: eko@boi.hp.com |
> > | | | Home page: http://wwwccd.boi.hp.com |
> > |___________| |__________________________________________________|
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 11:54:56 -0400 (EDT)
> From: WWArabsrun@aol.com
> To: Ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: National Show Horse
> Message-ID: <970608115456_1754603993@emout04.mail.aol.com>
>
> To the person who worte about NSH in the SE region. Please E-mail me at
> WWarabsrun@aol.com (that is the combo I am currently riding and have had
> another horse with that combo in the past) Would like to talk to you....amy
> whelan
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 11:00:19 -0700
> From: paddi <seamstob@telusplanet.net>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Important mare/foal reg
> Message-ID: <339AF333.6025@telusplanet.net>
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> I would like to make people aware of a mare/foal registery in Alberta.
> This is for the matching of orphan foals to mares. If you loose a foal
> at birth please milk out the colstrum and freeze it. Availability could
> mean the survival of some one elses foal.
> Peter Hurst 403 931-3840 is the man to contact if you need this service.
> email hurstt@cadvision.com
> This is in Alberta.
> My little one had a rare cleft palett deformity and had to be put down.
> Paddi
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 14:23:44 -0400 (EDT)
> From: ENDRIDER@aol.com
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Bakersfield Ride
> Message-ID: <970608142341_878060913@emout14.mail.aol.com>
>
> I had heard that there was going to be a ride held in Bakersfield, Ca.
> I can't find it listed in any of the periodicals. If anyone has any
> information on it could they"E" mail me privately. I don't read all the
> ridecamps, time you know!!!
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 12:33:34 -0600
> From: Fred & Cheryl Dzida <dzida@telusplanet.net>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Heart monitor connections
> Message-ID: <339AFAFE.5E0A@telusplanet.net>
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> I was lucky enough to find a heart monitor supplier close to home (my
> American catalogues never arrived), but there is no info on placement on
> a horse, other than one small un-detailed sketch. Where is the best
> place to put electrodes? How large an area do we have to choose from
> for each electrode? Does a string girth (western saddle) have good
> enough contact to get a steady heartbeat? I've checked the FAQ already.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 13:29:03 -0500
> From: "Becky Huffman " <hhcc1@htcomp.net>
> To: "K S Swigart" <katswig@deltanet.com>, "ride camp" <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Subject: Thanks, Helmets & Safety
> Message-ID: <19970608193758247.AAD324@BeckyHuffman>
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> I love people who aren't' afraid to say 'this is the way it is", but If I
> thought that 'see, everyone agrees with me...' would work I would not
> hesitate to try it!
>
> My policy in the past has been to offer the helmet with a comment regarding
> my possible silliness and the riders safety. I had never had anyone refuse
> until her. The first time this came up, she said (QUOTE) "that
> Christopher Reeve would have been better off if he had not had a helmet on"
>
> (the marriage counselor helped my husband and I tremendously, but I refuse
> to spend $100/hr talking about Her problems)
>
> I do feel very strongly about adults making personal decisions and taking
> responsibility for their own actions - BUT - My Real concern is for my
> husbands emotional state (not her head).
>
> Cold-but true.
> She is a real bitch (dont know how she raised my wonderful husband.)
>
> I was honestly interested what policies other people had at their barns.
>
> We still have not agreed on a 'helmet policy' but sometime those horses are
> very difficult to get up out of the back pasture.!
>
> Becky & The SpazRat (nobody rides but mom)
> hhcc1@htcomp.net
>
> ----------
> > From: K S Swigart <katswig@deltanet.com>
> > To: Becky Huffman <hhcc1@htcomp.net>
> > Cc: ride camp <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> > Subject: Re: visitors AND RIDING SAFETY
> > Date: Saturday, May 31, 1997 12:28 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 27 May 1997, Becky Huffman wrote:
> >
> > > She flat-out refuses to wear a helmet
> > >
> > > My thoughts - no helmet - no riding
> > >
> > > This is my mother-in-law and my husband does not think she should have
> to
> > > wear one.
> >
> > There are several points here:
> >
> > 1. This person is an adult, and is perfectly entitle to choose not to
> > wear a helmet if she so desires.
> >
> > 2. This is your horse and you are entitled to refuse to let anybody ride
> > it for any reason, and obviously you feel strongly about the helmet
> issue.
> >
> > 3. This is your mother-in-law, and your husband agrees with her.
> >
> > A situation that is beautifully designed to cause all kinds of family
> > problems, no matter what you decide.
> >
> > Quite frankly, I suspect that your motivation in asking "ridecamp" this
> > question is so that you can get all kinds of people who agree with you
> and
> > you can shove all those agreements under the nose of your husband and
> > mother-in-law and say "See, all these people agree with me. You SHOULD
> > wear a helmet, and I am not being unreasonable in requiring it."
> > (Personally, if somebody tried that on me, I might dig my feet in even
> > more, and become more insistent in my refusal to "do what it best for
> > me." So just be aware that this method may backfire on you.)
> >
> > What is the right thing to do in this situation depends not upon who
> > agrees whether it is important for adults to wear helmets riding horses,
> > but rather depends upon the personalities of the individuals involved.
> > Nobody is "right" in this situation. And certainly nobody on ridecamp
> can
> > help you in deciding what it the best thing to do in this situation,
> > considering that none of us knows any of the people involved. Certainly,
> > none of us knows the best way for you to tell your mother-in-law what she
> > should or should not be doing.
> >
> > You would do better (if you needed advice) to consult a marriage or
> family
> > counselor, but ultimately it is up to you to decide whether you are
> > willing to allow something that is against your better judgement for the
> > sake of family harmony.
> >
> > For my take, though...
> >
> > It has been a long time since I have chosen to take responsibility for
> the
> > self-destructive actions of adults. I would consider it my obligation to
> > point out that wearing a helmet is considered an important safety
> > precaution when riding horses, and then, if she fell off and cracked open
> > her head you would be entirely justified in saying, "I told you so."
> >
> > If, on the other hand, you are of the opinion that your mother-in-law is
> > not expert enough to ride this particular horse, telling her that she can
> > only ride if she wears a helmet (knowing that she won't) is a great way
> to
> > avoid having to tell her, "I'm sorry, you can't ride my horse, you aren't
> > good enough."
> >
> > If, what you really want, is for her to ride your horse with a helmet on,
> > what you could say is, "I know it's really silly of me, but I have this
> > thing about riding with a helmet because I have heard/seen such AWFUL
> > things that can happen to people who don't wear helmets, and I care SO
> > MUCH about you that I don't want the same thing to happen to you. I know
> > you think you can do it without getting hurt, and you are probably right,
> > but I just can't help it; I couldn't enjoy it just for thinking about
> what
> > might happen to you....."
> >
> > You get my drift. You could then repeat something in the same vein to
> > your husband, "I know it's silly of me, and she will probably be just
> > fine, but I care so much about her that I just wouldn't be able to enjoy
> > it....."
> >
> > Only the most churlish of mother-in-laws would then coldly insist that
> > your feelings didn't matter and that they wanted to do it anyway.
> >
> > This way, you aren't telling her that she SHOULD do it because it is
> > what's best for her (as if she were one of your children--which she is
> > not).
> >
> > Incidentally, it is possible to persist in this vein until she
> > capitulates; if it is done artfully.
> >
> > kat
> > Orange County, Calif.
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 12:20:49 -0700
> From: Jim Mitchell <navion@lsbsdi2.lightspeed.net>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: [Fwd: Re: Bakersfield Ride]
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> Date: Sun, 08 Jun 1997 12:20:15 -0700
> From: Jim Mitchell <navion@bak2.lightspeed.net>
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> To: ENDRIDER@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Bakersfield Ride
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> ENDRIDER@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > I had heard that there was going to be a ride held in Bakersfield, Ca.
> > I can't find it listed in any of the periodicals.
>
> A group of us and the girl scouts were/are going to put on a ride here. (Actually in
> Carrizo, but thats close) We filed a permit with the BLM and after initially saying it
> looked good (in March) they told us in May it was a no go. Too many endangered
> animals/plants at the site. The race was to be held Oct 25, 1997.
> We have appealed to the BLM manager (Steve Larson) now and it is running through
> again with us willing to make concessions on trail and camp location to make it happen.
> The manager told me he would give us a final decision on June 18th, just in time for the
> 120 day requirement for AERC sanctioning. I hope it is not just a smoke screen with them
> stalling us until there is no more time to argue.
> We looked at a couple other locations but we don't have time to make them happen by
> this fall.
> Anyway that is the latest
>
> Jim Mitchell
> Bakersfield, Ca.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 17:16:48 -0400 (EDT)
> From: RICMARC@aol.com
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Sports saddle questions
> Message-ID: <970608171647_-494809013@emout18.mail.aol.com>
>
> Four of my friends are using Big Horn sports saddles, they are rigged like
> the
> McClellen.They like them, I cant't see why you couldn't have one changed
> over.
> It is a matter of putting a ring toward the back of the saddle on both sides
> with
> a strap to the ring for your girth.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 19:50:23 -0600
> From: "Karen Steenhof" <steenhof@cyberhighway.net>
> To: <ramey@wvi.com>, "Ellen K. Osinski" <eko@hpbs1195.boi.hp.com>
> Cc: "Endurance List" <endurance@moscow.com>
> Subject: Re: directions to Sunriver Classic, Bend OR
> Message-Id: <199706090143.SAA11992@mail.fsr.net>
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> Ramey-
> Great directions from Bend, but the best way to get from Boise to Bend is
> via Burns on Hwy 20, not via I-84 along the Columbia Gorge.
>
> Karen Steenhof (heading for the XP instead of Sunriver next weekend)
> Boise, Idaho
> steenhof@cyberhighway.net
>
> >
> > From Boise, take I-84 toward Portland, OR. Turn left (South) on US 97
> > in the Colimbia Gorge. I believe the town at the junction is Biggs.
> > Continue South on 97 to Bend, Oregon.
> >
> > Continue South on Hwy. 97 one mile beyond the "Y" at the junction of
> > Hwys 97 and 20 on the North edge of Bend.
> >
> > Turn right on Division street. Proceed 1.8 miles and turn right on
> > Colorado street. (Note: there is a stoplight at the junction of Colorado
> > and Division.)
> >
> > Colorado ends 1.5 miles later at a T-junction with Century Drive. Turn
> > left and proceed 12 miles. Turn left into Wanoga Sno-Park which is the
> > Sunriver 100 basecamp.
> >
> > Good Luck,
> >
> > Ramey and Cynthia Peticolas-Stroud
> >
> >
> > Ellen K. Osinski wrote:
> > >
> > > Does anyone have directions from Boise Idaho to the Sunriver Classic in
> > > Bend Oregon scheduled for June 14? I checked the AERC web page, but
> there were
> > > no directions listed.
> > >
> > > I am posting this for a friend. She has left a message for the ride
> manager,
> > > but has not yet had a reply.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance!
> > > --
> > > Regards-
> > > eko
> > > __
> > > | | __________________________________________________
> > > | | | |
> > > | \ | Ellen K. Osinski |
> > > | \ | Hewlett Packard |
> > > | | | Color Laserjet and Consumables Division |
> > > \ \ | 11413 Chinden Blvd |
> > > / \ | Boise, ID 83714-1023 |
> > > | ---/\ | |
> > > | | | |
> > > | | | phone : (208) 396-4904 FAX: (208) 396-6931 |
> > > | * | | e-mail: eko@boi.hp.com |
> > > | | | Home page: http://wwwccd.boi.hp.com |
> > > |___________| |__________________________________________________|
> >
>
> --------------------------------
> End of ridecamp-d Digest V97 Issue #383
> ***************************************
I would like to share my perception of the Fort Howe, Ashland, MT, ride
last weekend. The scenery was beautiful, the weather was perfect (until
the rainstorm during the Saturday night banquet) and the ride management
was wonderful! Valerie K. attended and rode with the 25-milers to give
them training insights. I was riding a 4-year old first-timer and the
timing of Valerie's remarks couldn't have been better. For those of you
who are interested in visiting Montana, don't miss the Fort Howe ride
next year!!! Jan and Bill Stevens deserve accolades for their
organization, facilities, friendliness and service-orientation. Custer
National Forest is an experience to ride (a little of everything) and
certainly worth seeing. This was a first-time ride management that will
have to go some to do better next time than they did this time! Thanx
to all who were involved.

Linda Beck (and Magic Koho who taught me as much as she learned)
Ride manager for the Eagle Nest Ride in Columbus Montana August 16

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