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> ridecamp-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 313
>
> Today's Topics:
> ridecamp-d Digest V97 #309
> ridecamp-d Digest V97 #309
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> Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 09:14:21 -0400
> From: bolton@pbhs.brevard.k12.fl.us
> To: ridecamp-d@endurance.net
> Subject: ridecamp-d Digest V97 #309
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> ridecamp-d Digest Volume 97 : Issue 309
>
> Today's Topics:
> Re: trailer woes
> Re: trailer woes
> Re: trailer woes
> Re: Scramblers
> I have an Ortho Flex for sale
> [hoofbeat@shentel.net: Correction on the phone number in the
> last
> E-mail!!]
> [hoofbeat@shentel.net: Correction on that last message-phone
> number was wrong!!]
> Re: Snakes
> Trailers..EQUUS
> Re: Scramblers
> Re: 100 milers
> MY IDEAL TRAILER
> Trailer Woes
> Trailers
> Sample Lease agreement?
> Mare for sale
> Re: Trailer Woes
> RE: trailer woes
> RE:trailer woes
> Re: Trailer Woes
>
> - ----------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 12:07:29 -0400 (EDT)
> From: RUN4BEAR@aol.com
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: trailer woes
> Message-ID: <970505120729_-897764964@emout01.mail.aol.com>
>
> In a message dated 97-05-05 10:24:48 EDT, you write:
>
> << A government that is big enough to give you everything you want, is
> big
> enough to take it all away---
>
> >>
> caveat emptor!!! Big Brother is HERE!!
>
> Teddy
>
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>
> Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 08:45:09 -0700
> From: ponies@foothills.eznet.com (Patricia Chase)
> To: Erika R Achberger <eachberg@sophia.smith.edu>,
> marc b dailey <squabdog@juno.com>
> Cc: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: trailer woes
> Message-Id: <199705051545.IAA23985@foothills.eznet.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> "That government is best which governs least." still sounds like the
> ultimate truth to me; that goes for horsetrailers, AERC rules and
> regs,
> *and* those thieves in Washington, DC!
>
> Patty
>
> Patty and The Roan
>
> Rainbow Paso Fino Ranch
> 4331 Garden Spot Rd.
> Clayton, WA 99110
>
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>
> Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 11:24:40 -0400 (EDT)
> From: RUN4BEAR@aol.com
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: trailer woes
> Message-ID: <970505112436_-198370170@emout07.mail.aol.com>
>
> In a message dated 97-05-04 22:57:27 EDT, you write:
>
> << This shouldn't be a guessing game. Not everyone can be out
> researching for weeks every time they want to make a purchase. There
> should be simple regulations that keep manufactured products
> reasonably
> safe. That's one of the things government is good at. Let's not go
> looking out for companies that make sucky products, let's look to
> helping
> make life easier for the hard working folks.
> -Erika & Kashan (when is she
> coming home?) >>
>
> There is a company out there that is doing just that....and planning
> on
> publishing a book...I say more power to them. If we get the
> government
> involved, a 2 horse trailer wikll cost $25,000...look what happened to
> cars!!! I say NO to government intervention!!!
>
> Just my vote,
>
> Teddy (who still says JU$T $AY NEIGH!!)
>
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>
> Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 11:49:38 -0400 (EDT)
> From: SandyDSA@aol.com
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Scramblers
> Message-ID: <970505114937_516590295@emout13.mail.aol.com>
>
> In a message dated 97-05-05 08:47:24 EDT, you write:
>
> << A full partition? A wider trailer? If a wider
> trailer, should I go with a straight load or a slant load? Making
> two trips
> to
> get horses to rides so she can ride alone really isn't an option.
> Neither is
> getting rid of this horse as she was a gift and she's worked her way
> into
> our
> hearts. Can anyone help me and Sami?
> Thanks for everything and anything. >>
> HI!
> DON'T put in a partition unless you can't afford a woder trailer right
> now.
> It sounds like she can't get her feet spread well, and she needs more
> room
> not less. When people ask us why we have such a BIG trailer for such
> LITTLE
> "Arabas", we tell them because the more space, the better they travel.
> As far
> as in line or slant, I know slants are very popular, but during our
> continued
> yearly evacs in the face of fire, we have found that a 3 horse slant
> is
> REALLY only a 2 horse, especially when you are in a hauury. Just TRY
> to get
> that last horse to keep his buttocks in whilst you close the thing.
> Many a
> horse was left behind by other rigs for us to pick up - in our in-line
> 2
> horse. Extra wide, extra tall! I think it is really personal taste and
> what
> is fashionable now. Personally I would rather have a well-equipped
> stock
> trailer than a slant load, but that's just me. Good luck!
> san
>
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>
> Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 21:36:10 -0400
> From: Meta Beth Marcus <hoofbeat@shentel.net>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: I have an Ortho Flex for sale
> Message-Id: <199705051632.JAA29408@bluefish.fsr.com>
>
> FOR SALE; I have an Ortho Flex Lite, l4", new booties, dressage
> girth,
> custom sheep skin seat made by Ortho Flex to fit, video by Len Brown
> about the saddle. This saddle is in mint condition. It has had very
> little use. It does not have knee rolls. $1000. Call 540-888-4222
> (EST) after dark or leave a message.
>
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>
> Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 23:03:23 -0400
> From: Meta Beth Marcus <hoofbeat@shentel.net>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: [hoofbeat@shentel.net: Correction on the phone number in the
> last
> E-mail!!]
> Message-Id: <199705051641.JAA29446@bluefish.fsr.com>
>
> FOR SALE; Ortho Flex Lite, l4", Comes with custom sheep skin seat
> cover
> made by Ortho Flex, dressage girth to fit saddle, NEW booties, 3" wide
> padded stirrups, Movie by Len Brown on Ortho Flex saddles and their
> fitting. This saddle is in MINT condition-has had very little use.
> It
> does NOT have knee rolls. $1000 + shipping. Call 540-888-4220 EST.
> Call after dark or leave a message. (This is the correct phone
> number!)
>
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>
> Date: Sun, 04 May 1997 23:02:52 -0400
> From: Meta Beth Marcus <hoofbeat@shentel.net>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: [hoofbeat@shentel.net: Correction on that last message-phone
> number was wrong!!]
> Message-Id: <199705051640.JAA29436@bluefish.fsr.com>
>
> FOR SALE; Ortho Flex Lite, l4", comes with sheep skin seat cover
> made
> by Ortho Flex to fit. Has dressage girth with it, 3"padded
> stirrups,and
> NEW booties. This saddle is in MINT condition-has had very little use
> and kept inside the house. Saddle does NOT have knee rolls. Movie
> by
> Len Brown on Ortho Flex and fitting the saddles, included. $1000 +
> shipping. Call 540-888-4220 (EST) after dark or leave a message.
> (This
> is the correct phone number!)
>
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>
> Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 12:00:37 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Samm C Bartee <bartesc@mail.auburn.edu>
> To: Endurance <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Subject: Re: Snakes
> Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970505115747.10014B-100000@mallard>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
>
> > Where are you? I have not noticed that snakes have a distinctive
> odor, but
> > I am in the dry Southwest, Southeastern Arizona just 40 miles North
> of the
> > Mexican border. I wonder if the ability to notice an odor might be
> more
> > pronounced in a humid clime than it is here.
>
> I know that I can smell a moccasin about as quickly as Revel can. I
> don't
> know if he taught me to smell that or if I just picked it up.
> As a budding herpetologist, I learned to quickly differentiate
> different
> smells. You know...2 kinds of snake catchers--quick ones and dead
> ones....:-)
>
>
> Revel can definately spot them a long ways off. HE could care less
> about
> the non-poisonous ones though.
>
> It is an interesting thought that the humidity or lack of would make
> the
> difference in smelling them or not.
>
> samm--in the humid s'east
>
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>
> Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 13:08:07 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Marinera@aol.com
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Trailers..EQUUS
> Message-ID: <970505130805_114145324@emout16.mail.aol.com>
>
> The August 1996 issue of EQUUS (#222) has an in depth article on
> Trailers...makes, costs, options, etc. Issue #198, April 1994, has a
> good
> article on tow vehicles, hitches, safety concerns, etc. If you want
> to
> order these back issues, call EQUUS at 301-977-3900, Ext. 141. Julie
>
> P.S. Also, EQUUS Issue #210 (April 1995) has an article called the
> HORSE
> HAULER'S HANDBOOK. Very good.
>
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>
> Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 12:47:02 -0400 (EDT)
> From: MARDIP@aol.com
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Scramblers
> Message-ID: <970505124701_516595153@emout04.mail.aol.com>
>
> Did you try switching sides? Often a horse will scramble when loaded
> on one
> side but not the other. If not, slant load should do it. I hauled my
> gelding, a dream to haul, with a horse that freaked out mid trip.
> Ever since
> then he freaked when hauled on the left. I still have my 2 horse
> inline, but
> swung over the divider so he has no divider to lean on and can stand
> slant.
> If I haul 2 horses I swing the divider back and haul him on the
> right, the
> other horse on the left. I had butt bars made for the trailer that I
> can use
> when the divider is out to keep him from sitting on the back door.
> I've been
> hauling this way for years now without problem. With the divider over
> you
> never even know he's in there, just like before I did a favor and
> hauled a
> strangers strange horse from a ride. I should have known - something
> weird
> when someone gets to a ride but somehow ends up with no ride from.
> Should
> have figured something wrong...<wry g>
>
> BTW - Getting ready to order a new 2 horse slant trailer. <g>
>
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>
> Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 12:36:39 -0400
> From: truman.prevatt@netsrq.com (Truman Prevatt)
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: 100 milers
> Message-Id: <v01540b01af93bc9b0099@[198.252.56.69]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> >I have been reading with great interest, the discussion concerning
> 100 mile
> >rides. It has been my goal since my first 25 mile competitive ride 7
> years
> >ago to someday "do" 100 miles. Three horses later, I have finally
> reached
> >the point where I can consider doing a 100 mile ride. Now the
> question is
> >where and when. Can anyone offer some hints as to a good first 100
> to do in
> >the NE region? I am planning on doing the Nittany 2 day 100 in July
> but I
> >realize it's just not the same accomplishment as a 1 day 100. Thanks
> for any
> >help and advise you can give me.
> >Sallie and Matty (the longer we ride the stronger he gets)
> >www.cisnet.com/Mateef
>
> A long drive but Long Leaf in Nov would be a good first 100. The
> trails
> are pretty and the terrain is not too difficult and it is an easy ride
> to
> ride in the dark. There are no easy 1 day 100's - only easier ones.
>
> Truman
>
>
>
> Truman Prevatt
> Mystic "The Horse form Hell" Storm with a lille hellion on the way
> Danson "Deamon in Training" Flame
> Sarasota, FL
>
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>
> Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 09:22:37 -0700
> From: Becky Hackworth <bechack@flash.net>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: MY IDEAL TRAILER
> Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19970505162237.00665d74@pop.flash.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> 1. WIDE BODY. Reasons for this: horse comfort, road stability.
>
> 2. Ventilation. Obvious reasons.
>
> 3. Solid EASY to use Hitch. Seems the newer trailers have 2 5/16"
> ball.
> The old ones have 2". I do like the "clam shell type of hitch for
> bumper
> pull. So far very reliable.
>
> 4. Nationwide uniform wiring code. Heavy duty wire, heavy duty
> plugs,
> consistent wiring, so if I want to buy an out of area trailer, I don't
> have
> to worry about my brakes fireing when I turn on the running lights,
> etc, etc.
>
> 5. Fiberglass roofing seems to be working well here in the west.
> Cool (
> much more of a problem than staying warm. ) Also doesn't rust.
>
> 6. Lets get some research going on the best rust protection! Seems
> to be
> the single biggest problem for all.
>
> 7. I like the swing out saddle rack in a front tack area. I don't
> have to
> crawl in with a heavy saddle after a long ride!
>
> 8. Built in bucket holders and outside hay racks! So what horse
> doesn't
> need this even at a day show!
>
> 9. Built in water tank ( even 25-30 gal would be greatly
> appreciated!)
>
> 10. Rack on top for bales or etc.
>
> 11. Light weight!
>
>
> Well, this is all I have on my list just now, this would be for my
> "basic"
> model. Maybe I should get into this full time, I know what I like,
> and what
> would sell!!!
>
> Anyone want to place an order <vbg>
>
> Becky Hackworth
>
> - ----------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 10:52:19 -0700 (PDT)
> From: K S Swigart <katswig@deltanet.com>
> To: Endurance List <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Subject: Trailer Woes
> Message-ID:
> <Pine.SCO.3.96.970505105156.17953A-100000@delta1.deltanet.com>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
>
> Am I the only one who doesn't think that horse trailers are poorly
> made? Nor
> do I think they are made worse than cars.
>
> Quite frankly, if we treated our cars the way we treat our horse
> trailers,
> they wouldn't last anywhere near as long.
>
> We do not load our cars with 1/2 ton live cargo that kicks, shits,
> urinates,
> scrapes with its teeth, etc.
>
> We do not leave our cars parked outside 24 hours a day 365 days a year
> (some
> of you may have garages for your trailer, but I don't).
>
> Do we maintain our horse trailers in the same way that we maintain our
> cars,
> or is a once a year repacking of the wheel bearing and an occasional
> replacement of the floor the extent of our maintenance?
>
> And. . .
>
> Do we keep our cars as long as we keep our horse trailers?
>
> I have a '72 Ford pickup and a '73 Stedham horse trailer. It is a
> toss up
> between which has more rust on it. It is a toss up as to which has
> more
> wiring problems. It is a toss up as to which leaks more. It is NOT a
> toss up
> over which requires more effort (and dollars) to maintain in good
> working
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 09:14:29 -0400
> From: bolton@pbhs.brevard.k12.fl.us
> To: ridecamp-d@endurance.net
> Subject: ridecamp-d Digest V97 #309
> Message-Id: <v01510123af94a0faadc0@[204.128.87.151]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> order, the truck requires WAY more. Of course, the truck has an
> engine, which
> is what requires the most maintenance, but I have also had to replace
> the
> drive shaft, the entire front end suspension, shocks more times than I
> can
> count, and the entire braking system. I have had to have it
> completely
> rewired, and it is a source of constant frustration to me as I am
> continually
> having to replace the head light dimmer switch when the rain leaks
> through the
> air vent onto the floor where the switch is located.
>
> Before you complain about the quality of your horse trailer as
> compared to the
> quality of your car, think about the way you (and your horses) treat
> your
> horse trailer, and then consider whether your car would hold up under
> the same
> type of treatment. Lest you say, "but I don't use my trailer as much
> as I do
> my car, it should last longer." If you left your car outside in a
> state of
> disuse for most of its existence, it would fare no better than your
> horse
> trailer.
>
> Quite frankly, I would prefer that horse trailer manufacturers expend
> effort
> of making something that holds up the to rigors of hauling horses (no
> small
> accomplishment) and not worry about (and charge me for) whether the
> roof leaks
> or not. My horses don't care if the roof leaks. I think the reason
> that
> there are not "better" horse trailers on the market is that nobody is
> willing
> to pay that much more for a better trailer. And besides, how much
> better can
> you get than "it hauls horses?" If it hauls horses it's good enough
> for me.
>
> As for the wiring problems. . . hands up anybody who has not had
> problems with
> the wiring on the truck they use to pull the trailer??? As for how
> cars are
> wired, cars have fewer wiring problems because the wires are all
> tightly
> sealed into special wiring conduits (if they aren't, like in my '72
> truck then
> you will have the same kind of wiring problems that you have with your
> trailer). The disadvantage to this is the fact that you can't fix it
> yourself, and you spend a fortune paying an expert to fix the wiring
> in your
> car, to still not have it work right (ask anybody who owns a Jaguar).
>
>
> If, instead, we are talking about the "living quarters" portion of our
> trailer, well. . . that's not really a horse trailer is it. It is now
> a
> camping trailer. I have yet to meet one of those that didn't leak and
> have
> wiring problems either. For goodness sake, you're CAMPING!! Your
> tent is
> supposed to leak; that's part of the experience : ).
>
> As I said, I have no complaints (but then, I'm easy to please). Am I
> the only
> one?
>
> kat
> Orange County, Calif.
>
> - ----------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 13:47:29 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Mateef@aol.com
> To: Ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Trailers
> Message-ID: <970505134728_-1902632970@emout15.mail.aol.com>
>
> Thought I'd throw my .02 in about trailers. I just bought a new
> Merhow all
> aluminum two weeks ago. Went to Mohican Mania last weekend. The
> weather did
> everything but snow. Rain, sun, thunder, lightening and gale force
> winds.
> It poured down most of the night before the ride. We ( my horse and
> I )
> were very snug in this new trailer. No leaks anywhere. Several
> people came
> over to get a closer look at this trailer and many had never heard of
> Merhow.
> They have been in the trailer business for many, many years. I feel
> their
> quality is second to none. When I was shopping, I looked at Sooner,
> Exiss,
> 4-Stars and Sundowners. The Merhow was better made and lower priced
> (not by
> a whole lot) then the others. I strongly recommend taking a look at
> them.
> The company is in Bristol, Indiana.
> Sallie & Matty ( thanks for the new trailer, Mom)
> www.cisnet.com/Mateef
>
> - ----------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 11:01:15 -0700
> From: jessicat@napanet.net (Jessica Tuteur)
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Sample Lease agreement?
> Message-Id: <199705051801.LAA26527@sam.napanet.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hi!
>
> I remeber someone posting a sample lease agreement. Does anyone have
> one
> handy I could copy :-) THanks in advance. email or fax to (707)
> 252-6166 if
> possible
>
> i already checked the archives??
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> ~~~~~~~~
> JESSICA TUTEUR, RIDE MANAGER WINE COUNTRY 25/50 on 6/7/97
> J BAR M RANCH
> 1393 GREEN VALLEY RD.
> NAPA, CA 94558
> (707) 258-1937
>
> TO LIVE IS TO RIDE AND TO RIDE IS TO LIVE!
>
> Check out HORSE BUMS @:
> www.inpetho.net/sofort-billiger/html/int/horsebums.html
>
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>
> Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 11:20:05 -0700 (PDT)
> From: K S Swigart <katswig@deltanet.com>
> To: Endurance List <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Subject: Mare for sale
> Message-ID:
> <Pine.SCO.3.96.970505111638.18702J-100000@delta1.deltanet.com>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
>
> Windy, the 5/6 y.o. arab/pony mare that I was riding at 20 MT will be
> at
> Tule Blue doing the 25 with a junior rider (12 y.o. who has completed
> one
> other ride).
>
> Her owners are trying to find her a new home (since all their children
> are
> adults) after having rescued her from a going bankrupt breeder.
>
> Anybody who would like to see her, we should be getting to the ride
> someitme in the late afternoon.
>
> kat
> Orange County, Calif.
>
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>
> Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 14:32:25 -0400 (EDT)
> From: ChacoL@aol.com
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Trailer Woes
> Message-ID: <970505143224_1753399510@emout13.mail.aol.com>
>
> In a message dated 97-05-05 13:52:46 EDT, you write:
>
> << Before you complain about the quality of your horse trailer as
> compared to
> the
> quality of your car, think about the way you (and your horses) treat
> your
> horse trailer, and then consider whether your car would hold up under
> the
> same
> type of treatment. >>
>
> Sorry, this is not my experience. My truck and trailer are both '92,
> both
> are kept at the ranch under the very same weather (no garage or
> shelter for
> either) and use conditions. Rust, leaky roof in horse trailer has
> nothing to
> do with what the horse does to the interior. A quick bath and the
> truck
> looks brand new, the trailer has rust streaks all over. Trucks (and
> cars)
> just have a whole lot better coating than some (most?) horse trailers.
>
> Truck has needed only regular servicing (and wire repair where the
> field mice
> had a field day). Considering that the trailer is little more than a
> shell,
> especially compared to the complicated construction of a truck, I
> certainly
> get more bang for my buck with the truck.
>
> Linda
> San Francisco
>
> - ----------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 11:14:21 -0700
> From: "Mike Sofen (Excell)" <a-miksof@MICROSOFT.com>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: RE: trailer woes
> Message-ID:
> <1B2056104081CF11914400805F68CC170432A162@RED-05-MSG.dns.microsoft.com
> >
>
> Trailer electrical problems are most often caused by improper
> materials
> and installation methods. If trailer owners (and manufacturers)
> approached their electrical system from a naval (sea water)
> standpoint,
> they'd discover a whole slew of techniques and technologies that: a)
> last for nearly forever; b) are reliable; c) are maintainable; d)
> don't
> cost too much.
>
> The corrosion issues on boats are much more severe and have already
> been
> addressed. Hints: use stainless (not brass) connections where
> possible, use conductive silicon grease on every connection. When
> making inline splices, solder them if possible, if not, use crimp
> splices and cover the splice with mastic-lined heatshrink tubing.
> Avoid using end splices. Mechanically secure connections so that
> stress
> and vibration are eliminated.
>
> The key is prevention of water/water vapor into the connection.
>
> Mike
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: RUN4BEAR@aol.com [SMTP:RUN4BEAR@aol.com]
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 1997 8:25 AM
> > To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> > Subject: Re: trailer woes
> >
> > In a message dated 97-05-05 08:33:12 EDT, you write:
> >
> > << We've had no electrical problems with our either, once we got the
> > P/U
> > truck's receiver wired correctly.
> >
> > Linda Flemmer
> >
> > >>
> > I haven't had a trailer in 25 years that didn't have electrical
> > problems of
> > some kind...one of those things I always had to work on.... some
> > trailers
> > are better than others...connectors are usually the problem...
> >
> > Teddy
>
> - ----------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 14:31:59 -0400 (EDT)
> From: AliFarr@aol.com
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: RE:trailer woes
> Message-ID: <970505143158_-131241448@emout06.mail.aol.com>
>
> Amy wrote:
> >Why can't a trailer be more like a car? What I mean is, cars don't
> leak when
>
> >it rains, their doors don't fall off, they don't start to rust as
> soon as
> >they leave the showroom, their electrical systems don't fail
> regularly. Even
>
> >cheap cars don't have these problems, and some trailers cost much
> more than
> in
> >inexpensive car What will it take to get some changes made?
> >Government standards? -Amy
>
> Actually, I believe its mostly our fault. Decently made trailers will
> last a
> long time, if you take care of them. We don't often spread acid on
> the
> floorboards of our cars - but that's what happens to a trailer
> frequently.
> I've been trailer shopping recently and one dealer made a couple of
> very
> worthwhile comments. He mentioned that new cars get washed every
> couple of
> weeks and either treated with a clear finish at the dealer (for an
> extra
> $250) or waxed every 3-4 months. Okay, hands up, when was the last
> time you
> waxed your trailer? (Don't look at me. I'm gonna have to try hard to
> stay
> out of the column marked "Guilty as charged" <grin>) Did you put
> shavings on
> the floor to catch urine, then rinse it out after every trip? Did you
> rinse
> UNDER the trailer to make sure that urine didn't drip thru the
> floorboards
> and onto the frame? When you got your trailer, did you walk around it
> with a
> caulking gun and seal up any holes or channels that rain can drip into
> and
> rust?
>
> The dealer said if I could find a used trailer that someone had waxed
> every
> six months, caulked closed the holes and rinsed out every time they
> used
> it(or rhino coated the floor) - he'd buy it if I didn't get there
> first.
> Needless to say he was very frank about not having any trade-ins on
> his lot
> in that kind of condition.
>
> Sorry this seems to have gone a bit off-topic for ridecamp; OB
> ridecamp, if I
> don't buy a trailer soon, we'll be walking to our first ride!
>
> ....I tried to send the above on Friday, but since I had trouble
> spelling
> "ridecamp" correctly, it bounced (sheesh on my spelling), but it's
> still
> germane to the conversation, so here goes again....
>
> and I want to add regarding paint jobs and the rust that follows a bad
> one;
> that I agree with what Teddy mentioned. $900 is a cheap paint job.
> My hubby
> restores classic cars for a hobby, and over the years I have been
> treated to
> chapter and verse on how to paint a car so that the paint will last
> forever.
> Most of his buddies spend between $6000 and $10,000 on restoration
> paint
> jobs. Now, with the understanding that the $6000 end is spent on a
> car that
> doesn't need bodywork, so we're just talking quality of paint here,
> this
> will get you a body stripped to bare metal where there is any hint of
> rust,
> then primed with about three coats of primer, and sanded looking for
> nicks
> and dings and places where rust could start again. (Sorry, I skipped
> the wash
> down to remove any foreign matter steps) Those nicks are pounded out
> or
> filled and then primed again. When all is ready, then it gets three
> coats of
> color, wait a week, sand, and then three coats of clear. At this
> point, the
> owner of said car will kill a) the first cat to jump on the car b) the
> first
> person to lean over the fender with a metal belt buckle on his/her
> pants.
>
> To make a short point even longer, these guys go out of their way to
> keep
> their cars perfect, whereas we load horses in our trailers<grin>.
> We get what we pay for, so watch for me' I'll be the one waxing the
> heck out
> of all the trailer I can afford, 'cause there's not an extra $6K in my
> back
> pocket!
>
> Also, if you have a trailer that you bought in the mid-eighties (82-86
> +/-)
> the EPA was in the process of making paint manufacturers change some
> of the
> components in their paints. Manufacturers experimented with
> substitutes for
> the chemicals EPA banned during these years and will admit that the
> quality
> of their paint was terrible until acceptable substitutes were
> concocted. Even
> with quality care, ten years is the outer limit on paint jobs from
> this time
> period.
>
> Alison Farrin
> and the Princes, Gydion and Caer Donn
> (If we're Princes, why are we doing all the work?)
>
> P.S. The electrical system in my Cadillac breaks faster than I can fix
> it.......cars break too!
>
> - ----------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 12:13:15 -0700
> From: henslee@triax.com (henslee)
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Trailer Woes
> Message-ID: <336E314B.401F@triax.com>
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> We have a new Sundowner Sierra, 3/horse slant w/living quarters. We
> picked it up at the Convention and so far have a little over 4000
> miles
> on it. Have had no problems, whatsoever. We've asked for and added a
> few minor things to make it more convenient--steps, handles, etc., but
> nothing major has shown up and we're well pleased with it. The only
> complaint I might have is that it's difficult for me to shut the rear
> doors so my husband has to do it. Otherwise, I LOVE it!
>
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