ridecamp@endurance.net: Re: A fresh start, please?

Re: A fresh start, please?

Patrick E. Allen (jfhr@INETWORLD.NET)
Sun, 20 Apr 1997 20:12:55 -0700

Tivers@aol.com wrote:
>
> Susan,
>
> I welcome discussion and I have no personal dislike for your or your writing
> style. In fact, I'm certain your brain and library are full of information I
> could use. Our conflict comes about when you dismiss what I know, and have
> stated, to be true with the old "no proof" statements that basically means
> that if the tree fell in the forest but David Snow didn't see it fall, then
> it didn't fall."
>
> Hey, the one thing I'm not is a liar. I tell the truth, as I see it, to a
> fault. When I say that I've had thousands of horses undergo glycogen loading
> with no ill effects and millions of dollars of winnings as a result, I'm not
> lying. I don't have the foggiest how glycogen loading will work with
> endurance horses, but the first few reports coming back are encouraging, but
> I know for certain that it won't kill horses and will probably provide some
> significant benefit. I have the practical experience, in overwhelming
> numbers, to report this to be absolute truth. Why it works, I'm not sure. Why
> it works better than it does in human athletes, I'm not sure. Whether it will
> work as well in endurance horses, I'm not sure. But I want to find out all
> these things--not to sell a bunch of product--he'll I've already given my
> formulas away--but just to take another step along the learning curve.
>
> And my laboratory is all the people you and I are talking to on this list. I
> want to encourage them to seek knowledge for purely selfish reasons--I want
> to know this stuff. Meanwhile, I'm willing to take the time to impart any
> insights I have in return. So, when you tell my laboratory that David Snow
> has never heard of safe, effective glycogen loading, you're stunting my
> growth, especially when I know more than David does in this particular
> application.
>
> You see? I know you know your stuff, and I read what you write with interest.
> You're teaching me a lot. But once in a while, we'll run across something
> that my own experience tells me is other than what has been published to
> date--lactic acid causing fatigue, for example. Then I want to get into
> discussions, but not with someone who is going to start by telling me what
> I've seen with my own eyes, and through my clients' eyes, thousands of times
> over, has not been seen by David Snow and thus is not a valid starting point
> for discussion.
>
> If we can begin again on a new basis, I would accept this one: I'm not a
> liar; you're not a liar. Both of us are fallible in our opinions and
> extrapolations of our experiences and readings. To the extent that we can
> share knolwedge that will fill in the gaps of each other's knowledge, that's
> great. But trust me that I would not suggest to "my laboratory" anything that
> could cause their animals to become sick or injured--I'm extremely cautious
> that way.
>
> ti
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