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A friend of mine e-mailed me comments between you and another
unknown person from this e-mail address, normally used for endurance.
I also don't have time to compile, but would find that compilation
interesting. Try a university grad student who is looking for a project.
This one sounds worthwhile.
I have raised Pintos (yes, some used for endurance and competitive
trail successfully) since 1962, and began incorporating Arabian blood in
1968. The first purebred mare I bought was the highly marked particolor
LAVA RIDGE POTEKA, PtHA 8761 (Rejected for appaloosa registration). I
first ran into her in one of Gladys Brown Edward's articles in the Arabian
Horse World in 1968 or so. The other horse pictured had her purebred
papers in order, but was from Australia. "Tiki", who was born in 1966, was
owned by long-time Arabian breeders from Oregon. They applied for
registration, calling this chestnut mare from two chestnut parents a "gray"
as she had so much white (about 50% of her body). The registry scratched
their collective head and said, "Two chestnuts produced a gray? Perfect
test case for our new blood typing kits." These were duely sent to her
breeder and the stallion owner. Lloyd Silva commented something like: I
have been breeding purebred Arabians for twenty years. You have never
questioned my results before. If I have to blood type now to prove that I
bred POTIF AHRA 3942 the way I said I did, then everyone else should have
to, also.
True, so true. Folks were doing paper swapping. Nobody knew who
or when for sure. One uneducated presenter at a 1996 California Judges and
stewards seminar announced in a positive voice to 120 participants from as
far north as Canada, south as Mexico, from California to Maine that there
were no such things as particolor purebreds. He did NOT mean they were
really sabinos or ruanos or splash whites. He meant, no wild white
existed... Rediculous. And he's being allowed to train our next generation
of judges? When he needs to find out major big time about something
showing up in ALL Arabian bloodlines?
My thoughts are getting way ahead of my typing, so this is getting
disjointed. I should have typed it in a word processor, organized it, then
brought it over, but I envisioned it as a short little note. I should have
known better with a topic like this!
Back to LAVA RIDGE POTEKA. Her dam's owners put the kit under the
bed... I saw URONECA AHRA 22538 at age 23 pictured in the "Dowager's Club"
of Arabian Horse World years later, still productive.
I owned "TIKI" throughout her productive life, with the exception
of her first two foals, and she never had anything that was extensively
marked. Every other year, I bred her to a purebred, but a spot behind the
elbow, or a dot on the belly is a far cry from what I wanted. And, the
only papers I could get on them were IAHA, where these purebred colts were
registered as 1A. "TIKI" had only two fillies in her life: 1975 for her
first owner, and 1985 for me, a Pinto named PANDEMONIUM PUNCTUATION.
"PUNC" is 91% Arabian by pedigree, but not qualified for IAHA registration
herself. When the Russian Arabians came over and horses over age three
were admitted to the registry, Gladys went with me to speak to the
officials at the AHRA booth at one of the National Shows in Albuquerque. I
showed them photos of her tobiano Pinto cross offspring and her solid
looking sons from the purebreds. They agreed that if I could find 10 sons
of POTIF that were blood typed, they would use that to compare with hers...
I went home all fired up, but those horses were all numbered in the 4000's.
Although ten existed, the addresses were so out of date, I couldn't locate
a single owner. Many had been gelded, and at that time, only breeding
stallions had to be bloodtyped. I was stymied. Maybe that was their
intent -- to set an impossible task, thus releaving them of having to make
a sticky ruling in the face of the authenitcation by one of the breed's
well-known authorities. I don't know. They seemed genuine to me. Others
said that last bit afterward, probably becasue I was so excited that I
might be able to resubmit the original application copy that I had, along
with all the letters that went back and forth. This case was nothing if
not well-documented. Now that I have her pedigree dug out, maybe I'll get
it typed into my pedigree program, which is faxable, but e-mail strips out
the lines and jumbles things... I want to get good enough with html code
to put my sales list out on my (now empty) web page with hot buttons to the
pedigrees... in my spare time, of course!
I owned one of two daughters (purebred papers in order) sired by
EMBLAZON (*Bask son) both of whom had large white belly spots that came up
onto their sides. I was offered the first one, too, but could not take her
at that time. EMLY is still part of an active particolor breeding program
run by my cousin Steve Hugus in Riverton, Wyoming.
Over the years, I have collected many other purebred Arabians with
white. The purebred stallion I stand, ROL RAVEN, a black-bay with seven
white hairs on his forehead, three low white anklets, a bit of ruano in the
flanks and at the tail head, not visible once his coat starts to sun fade,
and a 50=A2 sized spot when he extends himself to breed. RAVEN (by EL HILAL=
)
and his Pinto son that I stand are both pictured in 1/12 page black and
white ads in the Jan. 1997 Arabian Horse World. One of his 95.7% Arabian
Pinto sons HAAP MOSAIC DECORE, out of a mare I bred, but sold in foal to my
cousin Steve, so carries his farm name (he also stood him at stud for many
years, where at one point he had 11 Pinto fillies out of 14 foals) is now
in California. The lady who bought him hopes to use him to compete in the
Tevis ride. Her goal is to complete the ride. I'd love to see her be able
to, also. (Yes, Raven does have a superior disposition, as have most of
his foals. Yes, it is one of the consistent things I have demanded of my
horses ever since the beginning. If I happen to wind up with a nasty
tempered one, I not only dump the horse, but the offspring, as well. Life
is too short to deal with an ill-tempered beast! I got as I became older
so that, if by the time I rode a horse for the third time, it was not
TRYING to cooperate with me, I wouldn't keep it. After a while, I became
aware that I was disappointed with anything that was not going along pretty
steadily pretty rapidly, and began a more formal sort on that principle. I
also like them smart and sensitive to their owner/rider. I've had this
backfire with a certain type of future owner, but, in general, these are
folks that I just would prefer not to have one of my "children", even
though I need the money to run the farm.)
RAVEN bred a purebred DALUL daughter with a slightly larger than a
silver dollar spot on her forehead and NOTHING anywhere else. They
produced a chestnut purebred colt with so much body white that I was bug
eyed looking at him! I'd read about them; I'd tried for years to produce
one; but after I sold off the parti-colors, or had them expire of old age
without ever once producing a Pinto registerable color pattern, I gave up!
The last thing I expected to do at that point in my breeding career was
produce a wild marked parti-color! I lost the colt; he was alive when I
found him upside down in a newly formed ravine 4" wide and six feet deep,
but he was cold and had not sucked. I ran the nearly 1/2 mile back to the
house, grabbed a tupperware container to milk KIRFAH into, a pop bottle,
funnel and lambs nipple, popped the camera into a trash bag, then ran back.
He was dead. I tore a hole for the lens and photographed him anyway, in
the rain, which was only a drizzle by then... (we were having mild flooding
in Iowa in 1992 --where you have a "century flood" come down the creek no
more than two-three times a month, as opposed to 1993, when we got one or
two a week for over a 60 day period and nobody could drive through Iowa as
fast as you culd go around through neighboring states-- so I had put all
the broodmares out on the hills for safety. (The "All or Nothing Rivulet",
which meanders through my front pasture and the border of the stud pen,
which has a 6' high board fence, varies from dry (normal July-August
condition) to two inches (normal for most of the rest of the year), to
within a foot of putting the entire stud pen fence under (every time we get
2" or more in one hour or so.)
KIRFAH never carried another foal past Nov. She was only 19, but
went out of production. Most of mine are still at it into their early 20's
anyway. I resent it when they quit early. I am still using a daughter of
hers sired by one of my good partbred high perentage Arabians that Cousin
Steve bought in utero, then traded back to me for a parti-colored mahogany
bay purebred mare.
I bred and owned the RAVEN son PANDEMONIUM RIVER, RAVEN's first
lavishly belly marked foal out of the *LANCERS SAHM daughter GAI CAROUSEL
(out of GAI TAPESTRY, also the dam of GAI TAPADA, GAI PISSARO, etc.) RIVER
is one of six full siblings, five with at least minimal particolor
markings. RIVER is the sire Steve stands who is a parti-color himself and
produced the purebred HAAP SNOWY RIVER (see the Sept. '96 Arabian Horse
World baby photos section for a photo at two weeks), who is a chestnut with
a 95% white pattern. The registry is currently researching things to see
what to call the color. The blood typing is done, etc., and all checked
out. They are open to suggestions. May I have permission to give them a
copy of your correspondence, knowing that it would be put to that use?
San
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San
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