His first case of tying up was exercise induced. Dumped me way the heck out in
the pineapple fields and bolted home at a dead run. Found him 2 miles later tied
up bad. He had two more episodes after that where he got excited/upset and tied
up. Ridden 6-7 times a week.
The vet at the time suspected first a selenium deficiency and secondly she
thought the oil was blocking absorpsion of Vit E in his gut and therefore since
E and Se are linked, causing a even greated Se dificiency. He was put on an Se/E
supplement while all the other factors remained the same. No further tying up
episodes.
So, what are the links to high protein diet, corn oil, selenium and E? Was the
bran a factor. I doubt it. Think a lot of fear about bran use is old wives
tales. In this case where I had to feed calcium rich alfalfa it was a balancer
anyway. Anyway I have been warned since then to always consider Selenium/E when
feeding more than a 1/2 cup or so of oil. Anyone know anything more about oil
and gut absorption problems???
Bonnie Snodgrass
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Subject: Re: BRAN MASHES
Author: ridecamp@endurance.net at smtp
Date: 11/26/96 10:49 AM
REPLY TO 11/25/96 20:20 FROM ridecamp@endurance.net: Re: BRAN MASHES
Joyce Kellenberger wrote:
>
> I would be curious to know if any of you who have tying up problems also feed
> bran mash on a regular basis?
Hi! Deanne here, again....(Yes, I make all the mistakes you all talk about!)
I've been feeding bran mashes forever, anywhere from once a week with
psyllium added to control sand, to daily doses of about a pound? mixed with a
cup of corn oil, Selenium, Electrolytes, CS, etc. Gabe loves bran and it's
the easiest way to have him eat all his supplements.
Gabe has also tied up three times in six years! I wasn't aware that wheat
bran could be harmful! Most everyone I know feeds bran, especially in the
winter (nice 'n hot!) to get lots of water into the system if a horse doesn't
like very cold water. Also at rides. I guess because the horses love bran so
much and it is easy to get them to eat and get that old gut moving.
So, since we're on the subject:
I've been wanting to ask if anyone knows if bran consumption could also be
the cause of Gabe wanting to eat dirt? Not just any old dirt, but rich,
earthy, meadow-type earth. Sometimes he will be grazing, and I'll see him
just continue to eat the grass clump down, down, down, and right into the
earth. Sometimes he'll eat huge clumps of earth/grass roots, etc. I guess he
must be craving some kind of mineral that he is lacking? Any ideas? I know,
I know, I need to get a blood test.....but, until then....
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Deanne Del Vecchio & Gabe
Living and Loving in Lake Tahoe
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Deanne and everyone,
I am remembering a discussion about a year ago on the subject of
feeding bran mashes in competitions. Several folks (Samm, I
think I remember), mentioned that they instead fed beet pulp mashes
to use as a "carrier" of electrolytes and nutrients, and also tto
get water into the horse. I believe the beet pulp is better
balanced
as far as to the Ca:P ratio, but someone would need to look it up
for me.
Samm, can you comment on this further? Based on some of your advice,
I started the beet pulp last year. After an initial shock that I
was intending to feed them something that looked like shredded,
damp cardboard, my horses decided they really liked it. I fed it
all through the spring, until I got too lazy to soak the stuff.
I had been worrying I was feeding too much bran (though I always
throw in some alfalfa pellets).
If anyone could pull up the nutritional values of beet pulp, I
would appreciate it.
Karen
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