Steph
    > As for the ties, why not simply add a video camera at the finish
    > line.  Play the pictures back later and use freeze frame. If it
    > still canot er cannot be decided, it is a tie. Furthermore, the
    > decision is documented. Have "an impartial committee" review the
    > videotape.
    > In other words, ride management still has to make decisions when
    > unusual situations arise (such as last years ride in Sunland
    > when the ride time was extended beyone 12 hours for the 50 mile
    > race). It would become there responsibility to decide if the
    > race is really a tie or not.
    > If 5 riders can finish a 50 mile race as a precision drill team
    > and all get a first, my view is that they all deserve the
    > credit.
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    > By the way, since things about procedures are being discussed,
    > how many of the races use battery powered clocks with the large
    > faces with the analog hands for the timer when riders leave the
    > hold area?
    > From the few events that I have been at doing P&R, there have
    > been consistent problems with the time drifting. Why is not the
    > official time keep with a digital watch and then the analog
    > clock can be continually updated.
    > As someone else (not on the Internet but in person) pointed out,
    > this would be like football (at least a few years ago) where the
    > announcement was quite common that the scoreboard clock did not
    > keep the official time but that the official time is kept on the
    > field.
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    > Next question: Why are not all timers/watches synchronized the
    > night before or even the morning of the race. Based on my
    > limited experience I have seen the times synchronized at each
    > vet check/gate hold etc. The problem that I have actually see
    > happen is that a vet may move from one place to another. He has
    > set his watch. When he is at the next place, his watch may be
    > out of sync with the in-times at that check.
    > I have actually seen a vet running (yes running) from where he
    > was doing the vet check to the where the in-timer was and near
    > where the P&R were being done. He then resynchronized his watch
    > and there was about a three minute change. (For those that want
    > all the details he moved his watch from 11:21 to 11:24).  :-)
    > Furthermore, there were multiple cases of individuals showing up
    > at the out-gate and finding that they had another 5-10 minutes
    > (gee, I am slipping in that I never did document the exact
    > amount) of waiting. My interpetation of the non verbal response
    > of some of the riders is that they were not particularly
    > happy. ( I am working on my ability to understate things.
    > Wonder if I succeeded with that last statement.  :-) ).
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    > It seems like some of these things would be zero effort to fix
    > and would actually lessen the liklihood of needing to hurry as
    > crews are arriving in place before the first riders show up.
    > (Oh well, what the heck to I know. After all, it has already
    > been stated that these observations are not based on a large
    > amount of experience.  :-) )
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    > enough/too much for now
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    > Joe jpu@kaiwan.com