Nice to hear from you!  I've been thinking about your questions and have 
a few suggestions.  First, I would defer to a veterinarian's thorough 
examination of Shatirr.  Not being there and not knowing the details of 
your race and your horse, much of what I say is speculation, but worth 
discussing with Kerry Ridgway when he visits with you and your own 
veterinarian.  
As far I understand the problems you encountered, Shatirr developed colic 
and cramping at Castle Rock.  There are a few questions I have that would 
help me
	1.  At how many miles did this occur?
	2.  Was he drinking?  You mention that hydration paramaters 
	    appeared normal, so I assume the answer to this is "Yes".
	3.  You administered Equilytes - How much did you give, and 
	    how often?
	4.  The blood tests you mentioned - When were they taken?  
	5.  How far did you have to trailer to reach the ride and how 
	    far in advance of the ride did you arrive?
Without knowing all this, and I will add, without being a veterinarian 
here is my 2 cents worth (and I won't cheat you on words!)
First, trailering alone can lead to dehydration and electrolyte depletion 
that can take 24 to 48 hours to compensate for.  Even frequent stops 
along the way does not allow the horse free access to the water he 
needs.  After arriving, if the trip was long, water alone may not be 
sufficient.  I administer electrolytes for the 24 hour prior to the ride 
so Cody doesn't start the ride in a depleted state.
Second, Shatirr had another obstacle to overcome with the heat and 
humidity.  Living in Florida, I can tell you how hard it is to do 
anything in those conditions, and I'm used to it!  Our horses are the 
slowest, most layed back bunch this time of year - asking for much trot 
work is like asking giant slugs to run!
As far as the electrolytes are concerned.  Even though Shatirr was not 
dehydrated, hopefully because he was drinking, he could still have been 
in potassium deficiency.  2-4 ozs. of Equilytes at each vet check could 
not make up the losses he would incur under such racing conditions.  (At 
this point I am assuming that is the dose you were using.)  It is 
possible that his cramping was more related to potassium, and possibly 
complicated by alkalosis from hyperventilating during exertion, than due 
to calcium.
As far as calcium is concerned, you wanted to know if Equilytes or 
Endurolytes contained Vitamin D - to my knowledge they do not.  I use 
Equilytes and I know they do not contain it, I don't know about 
endurolytes, but I doubt it.
The colic Shatirr developed could be due to many factors.  First, if you 
were administering concentrated electrolytes with calcium that could be 
part of the reason.  Electrolytes with calcium are essential - but 
concentrated salt solutions on an empty stomach after racing an number of 
miles in high heat and humidity would make anybody sick.  I mix ours with 
applesauce and may end up with a total quantity of applesauce (with the 
electrolytes in it) of 250 -300 cc.  That's about 4-6 syringes of 
concoction.  I always let Cody eat and graze a little, then give some 
electrolytes, graze a little more, more electrolytes, etc....  This way 
he is also putting some fiber into his system.  This sometimes means he 
doesn't leave the check exactly on time. But the extra time we give him 
there he more than makes up for in his attitude and superb recovery rates!
As I mentioned before, calcium alone, or unabsorbed in the gut will 
inhibit gut motility - it's possible this happened with Shatirr.  I have 
also heard from both some vets and riders that electrolytes can cause 
more problems than they are worth.  IMPROPER ADMINISTRATION is more the 
problem, without electrolytes a horse's ability to compete, and to 
continue competing in the future are severely limited.
Additionally, you did mention that Shatirr's blood tests were all normal.  
Did this include an analysis of kidney function?  Remember, the kidneys play 
a key role in electrolyte balance, pH balance and hydration.  If they are 
not functioning normally you can count on problems to occur under 
stress.  Something else to discuss with your vet! 
Finally, about alfalfa.  Horses fed a steady diet of alfalfa are the ones 
at greatest risk of suppressing their production of parathyroid hormone 
so that they have reduced absorption of calcium, and reduced ability to 
use their own stores of calcium from their bones.  We also have poor 
quality hay here in Florida, but our horses only receive Coastal hay and 
free grazing about 12 hours a day. I don't feed alfalfa at any time.  
Truthfully I would suggest you discuss the nutrition in your region with 
your veterinarian.  Alfalfa fed as a treat won't suppress parathyroid 
function, but the horse will not have developed the bacteria in his gut 
to digest it properly when he does receive it.  That could be even more 
of a problem!
Hope this gives you some ideas to consider and talk over with your vet.  
If there any veterinarians out there who would like to add their side to 
the story I would love to hear from you!
Lynn
		"In riding a horse, we borrow freedom."
					Helen Thomson, 1943
L. M. Crespo
lynn@alpha.acast.nova.edu
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Hey Lynne!!!
I AM impressed!! I have a couple of questions about Shatirr.
At CastleRock, Shatirr's criteria all through the ride were A's for
everything but impulsion, which were consistantly B.
My vet buddies are of the opinion that this is strictly a heat/humidity
problem, because our climate has been 50 to 70's and foggy, with few
exceptions. The only hot/humid day I got to train was a precursor of
CastleRock; his pulse skyrocked when I'd try srotting up a steady grade
and he generally looked worn out at a point where he was normally a rocket.
Thus, when CR ended up being hpot and humid, I got off and walked.
His bloodtests all looked normal; his CPK et al were all in the normal
ranges, his electrolytes were all good, his hydration was good as indicated
by skin tenting and blood testing. His pulse, even while colicing, staid
down under 65 and he had a low respiration.... I forget what it was, but
it was way down there.
The only real problem appeared to be the absence of gut activity and the
cramping... I still need to talk to Dr Robert Steere, who took care of him
at the ride, to get a postmortum (hate that word now!) from him.
I occasionally feed him straight alphalfa, due to the lousy quality of
available oat and grass hays, but he has been on oat for 2 months with
alphalfa occasionally as a treat.
As I was using equilytes, would I need to suppliment with Vit D, or do they
already contain it? I was thinking of switching to Endurolytes. Kerry Ridgway
is a very good friend, and next time he's at our place (middle of August)
I'm going to ask him to look at the two and and give me his opinion....
I've heard some vets say that they suspect that electrolytes _casue_ more
problems than they solve...
All of this makes me envious of your training and background! Please continue
to not be shy, this is so valuable!
Later!
Linda Cowles
Gilroy California