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A nice thing about training horses is that generally (like perl) there's more than one way to do just about anything (regardless of the guru's protests). A few gems I've pondered and employed in some variation or another can be found at: http://web.wt.net/~stovall/tie.htm , http://home.earthlink.net/~phetsy/hobble.html , and http://www.ceoates.com/info/Sacking_Out_A_Horse.html Best, Ben Turner =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Ridecamp is a service of Endurance Net, http://www.endurance.net. Information, Policy, Disclaimer: http://www.endurance.net/Ridecamp Subscribe/Unsubscribe http://www.endurance.net/ridecamp/logon.asp If you are an AERC member - PLEASE VOTE in the Director at Large and By Laws Elections. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=