Ridecamp: RE: [RC] Very young riders in AERC rides

Truman:

You state; <<<I would prefer the AERC know up front what the
legal risk are and make a
consistence decision based on knowledge of these risk.>>>

And whom would you presume to make that determination. We
have 50 states (I am not considering Canada in this, they
are way smarter) and I am sure you will get 50 opinions.
Then you can just change jurisdictions within a state if you
do not like the determination you get. And, I am sure that
some jurisdictions will state "It all depends".

I am sorry Truman, but you and Joe have trampled on parental
jurisdiction, a fact of high emotional status that only the
parents of each individual child can interpret. For a person
like you or Joe to attempt to infiltrate the sacrosanct
parent/child relationship is false and shows only concern
for your particular concept of what is correct.

Bob

Bob Morris
Morris Endurance Enterprises
Boise, ID

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[mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Truman
Prevatt
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 8:13 PM
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Subject: Re: [RC] Very young riders in AERC rides



This is an issue for lawyers to address, but in FL this
doesn't seem to
be the case. They seem to be ripping more kids out of their
homes
(although they can't find them after they do and never mind
some end up
dead in a bag on the side of I 275). I would like to see
some expert
opinion - not our hear say, what we see on the news, etc.
If there is a
problem the AERC -  could be involved in it? It really
doesn't matter,
what we think should be the case. It doesn't matter what we
would like
to be the case. It doesn't matter what we want to be the
case.

It will boil down to what a judge can be convinced by a
lawyer what the
facts and the case are.

I would prefer the AERC know up front what the legal risk
are and make a
consistence decision based on knowledge of these risk. Is
that too much
to ask?

Truman

Bette Lamore wrote:

> Hi Truman
> I don't know about the rest of the country--- but I
seriously doubt
> that allowing a child to compete in endurance is going to
qualify as
> child abuse. The pendulum is now swinging the other way
against
> ripping kids out of their natural homes. The reason:
inadequate and
> insufficient foster homes. In fact, I only recently left
my position
> in Protective Service in CA and Santa Barbara policy on
heroin
> users/Coc/Speed etc. users is that as long as the needles
are not
> laying on the kitchen table within reach of the kids and
so long as a
> baby-sitter is hired during the "tripping" times, the kid
remains in
> the home. Never mind the parental emotional/mental
absenteeism.
> However, if the drug abuser parent is not feeding their
kids or is
> beating their kids--- that is another matter. BUT some of
the foster
> homes are almost as bad. Gives the good ones a bad rep.
> My point is that unless CA is waaaaay different from the
rest of the
> country, the chances of a child abuse charge being levied
for allowing
> a 5 year old or even a three year old to ride endurance
while
> accompanying their parent and wearing a helmet are waaaaay
slim.
> Bette
>
> Truman Prevatt wrote:
>
>> I think the issue some have with this is if you replace
the world
>> "child" with the word "horse" the AERC does have concern
with young
>> horses but not young children. Isn't it up the the horse
owner when
>> he can and how far he can ride his horse?  If not they
why are young
>> children different.
>>
>> The AERC is a national organization. It functions in all
50 states of
>> the US and Canada. As such it can come under the laws of
all 50
>> states and Canada. My question is does the AERC as an
organization
>> risk running afoul of the law in some state or Canada
concerning it's
>> lack of a policy concerning young children?
>>
>> If so one local social worker or prosecuting attorney
could make the
>> AERC's life pretty miserable. We do live and function in
a larger
>> society.
>>
>> Truman
>>
>> Cocomix3@xxxxxxx wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Isn't up to the parents to dicide whether the child can
participate
>>> in the sport? Why would it be Aerc's problem to deal
with, shouldnt
>>> it be the parents decision?
>>>
>>> Michelle
>>
>>
>>
>
>




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