Ridecamp: Re: [RC] Fwd: Day Member Fee

On Fri, 4 Oct 2002 02:19:27 EDT, Klc5355@xxxxxxx wrote:

>In a message dated 10/3/02 10:17:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jlong@xxxxxxxx 
>writes:

>> All entrants in an event are bound by the rules of that event,
>> including the rules imposed by any sanctioning bodies, regardless of
>> whether the person is a member of the sanctioning body or not.
 
>> And by what means would the AERC have to take any punitive action against a 
>non-member? How would the AERC take any santions against them, take away 
>thier non existant points?

????????

"Day members" don't get points either.  Their membership ends when the
event is over, the AERC has no more means to punish them than it would
a non-member without a "day membership."

However, when someone enters an event, they agree to be bound by the
rules of the event.  If they break the rules, the ride management can
disqualify them and not give them any awards or recognition,
irrespective of any AERC membership.  If a ride manager does not
enforce AERC rules, on non-members as well as members, the AERC can
take appropriate action against ride management (which does have to be
full AERC members).

Having someone be a "day member" buys no additional leverage for
enforcing rules on them.

>FTM, a "day membership" for legal or insurance purposes needs a fee of
>no more than one dollar to be effective.  The non-member fee was
>originally less than ten dollars, and was raised.  No matter what
>anyone claims, the ten dollars is there to raise money for the AERC so
>that dues can be lower (making non-members pay for members' benefits).

>I seem to remember a few years back when the financial well being of the AERC 
>was in question and we were discussing raising dues, our members were not 
>happy about the amount it was going to be raised. And if I remember correctly 
>the non-member dues were raised also to partially offset raising our dues. It 
>seems only fair if the paying members fees were raised, that we would raise 
>the amount non-members were paying also. The AERC is a buisness and has to 
>maintain a budget and increase cash flow in order to grow and to be able to 
>supply us with the services we require and want. And I see absolutely nothing 
>morally wrong with non-members helping us hold down the cost of our dues. 
>$10.00 in todays economy is not much for most to pay to enjoy our sport. I 
>realize that maybe it is for some people, but what really is the percentage 
>of people that resent paying this fee? I think it is probably pretty small in 
>the scope of things. It would be interesting to know just how many people 
>this affects a year. 
>Ken Cook, AERC WEST

Then that is a difference between you and me -- I do see it as wrong,
if someone isn't willing to pay what their benefits cost, to expect
someone else to pay for them.  And if the amount collected by the
ten-dollar fee is such small potatoes, why doesn't the AERC just get
rid of it, and avoid the problems and hard feelings it causes (at
least for some people)?

Oh, BTW, in the last decade the members' dues increased something like
25%, the non-member fee increased 400% and was extended to cover more
rides.  For most of the AERC history, there were no non-member fees,
we rolled out the welcome mat.

-- 

Joe Long
jlong@xxxxxxxx
http://www.rnbw.com


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