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    [RC] Finish lines & criteria - Nancy Mitts


    While we're discussing finish lines & criteria....
    Just this afternoon a friend asked me if I'd read the August EN. Well, I hadn't read all of it. She asked what I thought about the interpretation of rule 6. (Aug EN Page 15).
    As long as I've been participating in AERC rides, you had 30 minutes to meet all veterinary criteria at vet checks, and 60 minutes at the finish.
    At the finish line, (according to 6.2.1.1, Dec. 2000 edition of the rules) you have 60 minutes to meet the established criteria.


    According to rule 6.2.1.2, Dec. 2000 edition of the rules, you have 30 minutes to reach a reasonable pulse recovery at all control points during the ride. (The key word being DURING the ride, I think.) This was a change from the 1995 rulebook.
    According to the explaination in Aug 2002 EN, you have to meet pulse criteria within 30 minutes after crossing the finish line, and can come back within the hour for the rest of your check. SINCE WHEN???
    Was this not an issue that was discussed when comparing FEI with AERC just a few months ago? FEI required 30 min, AERC allowed 60. There was talk that AERC may be looking at changing it to 30 minutes also. As far as I know that change was not formally made. Or, if made, not announced until this publication of the Endurance News. I have never been to a ride that asked anyone to present for pulse within 30 minutes (except for BC CRI's, usually at 10 or 15 minutes).
    I don't have a problem with it being 30 minutes, but I do want to see everybody on the same page. And I do wonder where this particular interpretation has come from, and why such a major change wasn't widely emphasized.


    Nancy Mitts

    From: Truman Prevatt <tprevatt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    Reply-To: tprevatt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    To: Dot Wiggins <dotwgns@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    CC: Onefarmgirl@xxxxxxx, ridecamp <ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
    Subject: Re: Re: [RC]   Re: [RC]   My votes on the BOD Motions
    Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 16:50:12 -0400

    I've always understood that the pulse recovery is the finish line for the LD. That is when the clock stops. Hence it is part of your six hours. In the case of endurance distances, the finish line is the finish line and your clock stops there.

    Truman

    Dot Wiggins wrote:

    Just for discussion, I'm mostly neutral:

    50 milers, and up, are timed in at the finish line. The horse has one hour
    to meet criteria. I've never heard of anyone being disqualified for
    recovery after the 12 hours time allowed. Has this happened? I know of
    several times when riders just barely made the time at the finish. There
    was no question they had "finished" even though the horse was not yet
    checked and judged "recovered" and "completed" for a while, within the hour
    of course.


    In the case of LDs the rule seems to be ambiguous, and I've heard of it
    being used both ways.  "Must recover before the time cutoff",  or "they
    crossed the line and still had 30 min to recover",  even if recovery was
    outside the 6 hours allowed.  (Placings, if given, in the order of
    recovery.)

    My take is all distances ought to be handled as nearly the same as possible.
    I do think LDs should be able to recover in 30 min at the end just as 50s
    and up must do during the ride at similar mileage points.


    In any case this rule needs to be clearcut.





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