Ridecamp: RE: Re[2]: [RC] Pre-Ride VC Issues and a few others

Well Roger, you are sounding like me now. Not sure that is
very good. I have the same feelings that you have even
though I do not always agree with everything you have to
say. Trying to get any response from the membership is a
tough thing to do. We went to the trouble to get a
comparison of the old and new by-laws on line and I do not
believe we had a half dozen comments about them. People do
not seem to care.

I believe that the problem with the Board is they do not
want to seem partial one way or the other. They do not want
to stand out in a crowd so to say. I guess they do not have
very much conviction when it comes to AERC matters. I have
written many posts to the Board and never had but one or two
comments back. The Board is just not available for debate.
We never have any concept as to how the Board feels on any
matters. The membership needs leadership and it just does
not come from the Board of Directors in any way shape or
form.

As you are aware, I stand behind everything I post and am
ready to defend my positions with facts, data and/or proof.
How many of the Board are willing to make that stand and
come forward to comment?

Bob

Bob Morris
Morris Endurance Enterprises
Boise, ID

-----Original Message-----
From: ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Roger
Rittenhouse
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 8:53 PM
To: ridecamp
Subject: Re[2]: [RC] Pre-Ride VC Issues and a few others



   While I  am on a roll;
I stepped up to register my disagreement with a policy and
protocol I
believe to be incorrect.   Not the first time nor the last..

While all have the opinions and options to disagree with
with me or
agree. ..
One thing I ask- take the issues public. I really dont need
trash mail
or flame mail in private. If you want to take me out or on -
do it in public,

I also would really like for those who agree with me in
private to go
public.
Standing out alone is not a good place to be if it appears
no one
supports you position.
I have received a few supporting my comments and a few not
in
support.. all private  -except Bob M - Howard sort of? and I
am sure a few others by now.

The only way issues get resolved is to go public  put the
comments in
public view for riders and others to read. The BOD will
eventually
have to deal with some of these issues as well as other
issues.

If you disagree with me, say so, if you dont like my style
say so -
I dont really care -  just do something. Far too many sit on
there on  what
ever and dont speak up   let it all hang out - tell it the
way YOU see
it.

I under stand a few are concerned with image and assorted
positions
and surely dont want to get caught in a mix with me Howard
Bob M or
BOD members or who ever enters in to this, (more will enter
into the
fray.)

But sitting there doing nothing is acceptance of the way
things are
with out regard to the sport.
Let the other guy do it.  OR you concur.
The current membership is quite apathetic as is many on  the
AERC Board. I have
taken issues to the BOD list without ONE comment from
anyone, just
ignore the loose cannon.  Issues of non- importance are
covered but dont
talk about hot items...

What the hell is there to be concerned with here. ITS A
SPORT! it sure
is NOT my religion.
What will happen  well lets see - I will loose business  -
maybe - its
the risk I took when I took the job - did anyone think I
would just
roll over and go along with the flow.??  Dont care for my
politics
and chose not to do business with me . OK then. they really
are not
connected.. no business equals no support??

I will continue to speak MY position on issues I believe are
important. And they are that - just mine.
lets here yours?
However- A few others are speaking up.

Next another reason to NOT make waves is retaliation. By
WHO?  A vet
who I piss off might pull me? So?? I dont go to rides with
that vet?

I really dont HAVE to do this, I dropped out of NATRC
because the BS
in this region got too much for me and Carol to deal with.
So we just
quit- I dont miss it either.
Problem is AERC sure is NOT NATRC, it has been my life for
25 plus
years.
When I see the sport changing from what I thought it was or
how it
was, I register  strong objections. Assign that to
paternalistic
emotions.
If those coming into the sport
want a different set of rules and principles - then make it
happen.

I already did deal with the FEI issues. I am not so sure it
has been good
for AERC. Others think we should get  more involved. Just
look at the
latest EN - 3 articles all about FEI and UAE and how we
should or
should not work with them and fit in.

The President  the VP and  a noted vet/rider.  I thought
there was
adequate coverage of FEI/UAE related issues in that issue,
saturation,
I called it. I just do not see my continued association with
that
form of the sport as related to what I believe defines AERC.

   AERC has larger issues then FEI/UAE  There is far too
much
influence on AERC from FEI already  and I am not alone with
that
opinion..

One issue facing YOU the riders is the new BYLAWS. I did
vote for them
- no they are not perfect and will be changed years from
now, but they
are sound enough to provide for the business of AERC Inc

I wanted a few changes  minor - did not get them - but over
all the
bylaws are good and needed to bring the corporation up to
date and in
compliance with the Corp Code of Ca.
I urge you to vote for them.

I may take the time to address a few point later- after this
fire
storm passes.

(Sure hope Bobbie R and RMTC escaped the  real firestorm)
  Roger R



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