[RC] test 3 - John A. Teeter
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Some of the European and the Aussie endurance associations have a similar
situation without the prize money. The real issue in endurance isn't that
there are cash prizes. It's that most of the cash prizes are donated by
certain individuals who also compete in the same rides and employ most of
the "impartial" judges. Cash prizes in and of themselves are necessarily
evil. It's the administration of the rides and prizes that causes the rot
from the heart. The "impartial" judges employed by the donating individuals
are usually sanctioned by an organisation that gets its operating budget
from the donations for prize money. Where is the conflict of interest and
who, honestly, is going to have the incentive to clean up the show? Not the
organisation...it is growing stronger with every big prize. Not the donating
individuals...they can do what they want unless a truly impartial judge is
looking on, and impartial judges don't last long. Not the "impartial"
judges, because who is going to give up a handsome salary with travel
allowance and no living costs. Better to keep the rot out from the
beginning.
Maryanne Stroud Gabbani
Cairo, Egypt
maryanne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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[mailto:ridecamp-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of dixie midnight
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Subject: [RC] $$MONEY Fer NUTHIN'!$$
Hi, y'all!
I'm generally a nice, quiet lurker on here. Make no waves, stay out of the
messes, and all that.
But...I've just been privately berated for spewing my view that there really
oughta be prize money available for the Endurance crowd. So...I'll toss my
views up for public discussion.
Here they are, have at it, no holds barred. Maybe I'll even answer one or
two of you.
I'm NOT an Endurace guy. I don't ride Arabians. I do cows. On Quarter
Horses and Paints. AND...I compete in Pennings, Poles, Barrels, a tad of
Reining, and once in a great while, Reined Cow Horse. I compete for the
sport of it, but I really like it when I get to go to the pay window. I
don't mind an occasional hefty entrance fee when the payback is over 70%.
Shoot...I don't mind a small entrance fee when the payback's over 70%,
either. Especially when there's a large wad of competitors. More for me!
If I win.
And THERE, Ladies and Gentlemen, IS the crux of the matter: "IF I WIN."
Which brings up the question..."What will I DO to insure a win?" Y'all
(no offense, Howard) appear to have a difficulty with that one. It is
relatively easy. Sort of.
Yes, there IS a problem with the "win-at-any-cost" crowd. No doubt.
Y'know, we have that problem in OUR sports, too, but wiser heads than mine
seem to have arrived at a reasonable solution for that.
It's called CLASSES. Divisions of skill-level and expertise. Ya don't make
the money until ya got the skill. Neat, huh? Not counting the
un-sanctioned events (which ARE around, if ya know where to look), the
Newbies start out in Green Horse, Green Rider; or Green Horse; or Green
Rider. Green meaning inexperienced--either horse, rider, or both. There
is NO prize money for those classes. The participants are learning, and ya
don't get paid for learning.
BUT...there's an incentive! Actually, SEVERAL incentives: if you advance
your skills and expertise, you get to advance to a higher level of the
sport, and run with more experienced, but not pro, nor upper-level amateurs.
You can't play in the Open classes, nor the Non-Pro classes. You get to
play in the Amateur classes, and if you win, you might get your entry fee
back, plus maybe $20/50 bucks, too. At least it'll pay for yer gas.
As you advance in skill level, you get to compete against tougher and
tougher competition, and ya get to win more money. You will NOT find yahoos
nor abusers in the mid to upper levels of our sports. They are quite
serious Horsemen in every sense of the word.
Now here's the good part. The Sanctioning Body has complete control of this
whole thing. No USET, no USAE, no none of that. If they wanna piece of it,
they can apply for a co-sanctioning LICENSE, and PAY for it! On a PER EVENT
basis. That oughta settle their hash right quickly.
AND...y'all got a money-machine started with this gig, and ya gotta be
sensible as to what y'all do with it. Try this on fer size...Since all
Green Classes don't get prize money, and there's always gonna be a whole lot
more of them than any other class, their entry fees go to two places: 1) To
cover the cost of their events and 2) The leftover shall be placed into the
General Prize Fund for disbursement to the Prize-classes.
The entry fees increase, as well, with the level of expertise. Why YES--of
COURSE you pay more to win more! Duh!
Now, once this little deal gets going, you don't suppose that great enormous
wads of manufacturers of Horse Stuff would want their name in front of these
riders, do ya? OF COURSE they do! Gee. That costs money! THEIR money.
It's called ADVERTISING RIGHTS, and SPONSORSHIP RIGHTS. And it's on a
nicely sliding scale designed to fatten the prize pots AND further the
Sanctioning Body's ability to grow the sport.
AND...you get the added plus of nicely eliminating the horse-killers in the
Green Classes, 'cause if you abuse yer horse, you sure as shootin' aren't
gonna advance to another higher class, are ya? Of course not. See? It's
self-limiting!
AND...there's lots and lots and lots of people who would just LOVE to be
able to DO something with their horses! A chance to learn more, to make new
friends, to ACHIEVE something with their horses. Gee! What on earth could
that BE???
Could it be The Greatest Timed Events In The World?
Yup. Could be! If y'all do it right, it surely could be.
Lissen...I watched the National Reined Cow Horse Association come up from a
little, dusty, basically one-state event to international prominence in FIVE
YEARS! How? Just like the above. And they don't gots no horse-killers in
there, either.
Y'all can do it. If'n you want to. and it'll work, too.
Karl
Dixie Midnight
No-Sweat vent pads
http://www.dixiemidnight.nv.switchboard.com
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Cash prizes in and of themselves are necessarily
evil.
Sorry! That was supposed to be "are NOT necessarily evil."
Maryanne Stroud Gabbani
Cairo, Egypt
maryanne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.ratbusters.net
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Subject: Re: [RC] handheld heart monitors
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Maggie...Patty Danley sells them...if she doen't see this tonite...I'll =
get her mail for you...on another note
I have a question or 2 for you...I ave a 4 year old with fast growing =
feet, as in being re-shod every 4-5 weeks. The problem I am having is, =
he keeps stepping of his right front. This happens 2-3 weeks into the =
shoeing. Yesterday, of all things, I lost the left front.... After the =
shoe is put back on..he never loses them again, until he is completely =
re--shod....What can I try to keep this from happening?...and no, I do =
not wish to roll his front feet, nor do I want a smaller shoe...he is =
wearing an 0...can you help?.....Cora bandc@xxxxxxxxxxx=20
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Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:13 AM
Subject: [RC] handheld heart monitors
Hi everybody,
I know I have seen the hand held heart monitors for sale but can't =
remember WHERE! A friend of ours used one when she helped us crew last =
weekend and I have to have one...Nelson is useless with a stethoscope. =
Where's the best place to buy one? Thanks!
Maggie
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> I have a question or 2 for =
you...I ave a 4=20
year old with fast growing feet, as in being re-shod every 4-5 weeks. =
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problem I am having is, he keeps stepping of his right front. This =
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front....=20
After the shoe is put back on..he never loses them again, until he is =
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re--shod....What can I try to keep this from happening?...and no, I do =
not wish=20
to roll his front feet, nor do I want a smaller shoe...he is wearing an =
0...can=20
you help?.....Cora <A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Hi everybody,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I know I have seen the hand held heart =
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sale but can't remember WHERE! A friend of ours used one when =
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From: "amber applegate" <amber.apple@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: [RC] MFT or TWH??
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 12:28:08 -0700
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Hi all,
I am sending this question out to several lists and hope to see lots of
constructive answers.
Assuming that both breeds, the MFT and the TWH are doing their preferred
gait, ie, not being pacey or racking, but doing a good FT or RW. why do you
prefer one over the other? Which is more heavily muscled? Which do you think
is a better choice for endurance riding as far as HR and P&R. Now, I am not
talking CTR, but AERC.
Which breed SEEMS to have the calmer disposition, but still has some
cattyness as well? Can anyone tell me the "average speed" of the Foxtrot and
the Running walk? How long can you keep either horse in this gait
assumining that the horse is very well conditioned?
thanks.
amber
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From: "Cora" <bandc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: Re: [RC] Fwd: Tammy...I posted Katie's pics.....
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 12:39:01 -0700
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The site for pics worked fine....Cora
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Trailrite@xxxxxxx=20
To: ridecamp@xxxxxxxxxxxxx=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 8:25 AM
Subject: [RC] Fwd: Tammy...I posted Katie's pics.....
In a message dated 5/14/2002 1:29:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time, =
FASTGraphic@xxxxxx writes:=20
I can post a message on RideCamp, but figured you might want to so =
you can say what you want about your "little miracles." :o) Just tell =
people to go to www.clubphoto.com and enter your e-mail address, =
trailrite@xxxxxxxx They will get the "cover" of the photo album - click =
on that, and it opens to show them all 12 pics which I scanned in! It's =
pretty cool, and it is free! Try it, see if it works for you, and let =
me know! I'll update it with the pics of them as they "fatten up" if =
you like the format. If not, we'll try another way or another site. =
Let me know!=20
Scott
These are better directions on how to get to the pictures. Thank you =
Scott!=20
Tammy Robinson=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The site for pics worked =
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<A title=3DTrailrite@xxxxxxx=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 14, 2002 =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [RC] Fwd: Tammy...I =
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Katie's pics.....</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 =
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FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF">In a message dated 5/14/2002 1:29:01 AM Pacific =
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Time, <A href=3D"mailto:FASTGraphic@xxxxxx";>FASTGraphic@xxxxxx</A> =
writes:=20
<BR><BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 face=3D"Abadi MT Condensed Light" =
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solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=20
TYPE=3D"CITE">I can post a message on RideCamp, but figured you might =
want to=20
so you can say what you want about your "little miracles." :o) =
Just tell people to go to <A=20
href=3D"http://www.clubphoto.com";>www.clubphoto.com</A> and enter =
your e-mail=20
address, <A href=3D"mailto:trailrite@xxxxxxx";>trailrite@xxxxxxx</A>. =
They will get the "cover" of the photo album - click on that, =
and it=20
opens to show them all 12 pics which I scanned in! It's pretty =
cool,=20
and it is free! Try it, see if it works for you, and let me =
know!=20
I'll update it with the pics of them as they "fatten up" if =
you like=20
the format. If not, we'll try another way or another site. =
Let=20
me know! <BR><BR>Scott</FONT><FONT lang=3D0 face=3D"Abadi MT =
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face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2 =
FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF"><BR><BR>These are better=20
directions on how to get to the pictures. Thank you Scott! =
<BR>Tammy=20
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