>No need to be testy, Susan. I know you know 
    what you >are talking about.
     
    My point is that if you want to know the 
    physiological reasons for what you're seeing in your own horses, then 
    ask.  If you prefer to use phrases like 'yada yada yada' , 'I don't buy 
    it' and work off the logic that if it's green and smells good it must be 
    better, then you're on your own.  I don't get paid for 
    this.
     
     
    > No, I don't go ou there with bags 
    yet. I have had my hay >tested and it wasn't very impressive. What major 
    signs of >disease am I missing?
     
    If you had your hay tested, what was there 
    about it that wasn't impressive?  As far as major signs of disease, 
    you're still working off the assumption that there has to be major disease 
    present to justify minimizing alfalfa in the ration.  That's not always 
    the case.
     
     
    >I know about entroloths (SP?) but what 
    else? As far as >heart rate and recovery, has never been a 
    problem.
     
    No room for improvement whatsoever?  My 
    philosophy has always been that I don't need life-threatening illness 
    to be looking for improvement.  I can't even count the numbers of 
    riders that have said they don't have any problems but will eliminate the 
    alfalfa, and then lo and behold, come back six months later and tell me, 
    gee, they never realized how much better their horse has gotten.  IMO, 
    what separates the really successful riders are that they *never* stop 
    looking for ways to improve their horse's health.
     
    > I don't think the hay I get here in 
    Florida is anything like >the hay I saw out west. Right now I have 
    T&A that is >nothing but sticks and smells old.
     
    Since I know of numerous owners in Florida that 
    are able to get decent quality grass hay, I would assume it's 
    available.
     
    >Why do we always compare alfalfa to 
    steak?
     
    Because both are too rich to constitute the 
    entirety of a healthy diet. 
     
     
    > One is a >vegetable protein and 
    one is an animal >protein. Just like beans and nuts are high in protein 
    but >are easier to digest than meat. 
     
    Actually, that's not accurate either, but 
    that's another topic.
     
    Susan 
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