RE: RE: Re: MALIBU RIDE AND TRAIL INCIDENT

["Bob Morris" <bobmorris@rmci.net>]

First of all you must consider the definition of an "Endurance Ride" . To quote the By-Laws of the AERC an endurance ride is defined as an athletic event in which the same equine and rider cover a specified course.....Now in the Section 1. (4) The winner of the ride is the equine and rider who successfully completes the ride in the fastest time. But go to the Section 2. covering LD and you find no definition of a winner just  the fact that all who complete must receive an award. This leads one to believe the promulgators of  organization did not consider that the LD riding was a race that provided for a "winner. Just a ride for completion and the mandatory award.

 

When you go to the specific AERC Rules and Regulations , set up to control specific instances that require regulation for fair competition, you will find in the preamble a abatement that "The AERC's concern in establishing rules and regulations is to assure that competition occurs with in standardized parameters considered fair and reasonably safe for equine and rider. PLEASE NOTE, standardized parameters considered fair and reasonably safe. It does not say completely nor does it infer such. It is to be understood that at times it may not be fair and reasonably safe.

 

The Preamble continues to state "the competitor is ultimately responsible ....Aerc Rules and Regulations provide minimum conditions and directives" PLEASE NOTE, minimum conditions and directives! "Additional measures may be taken by any ride to provide greater safety for equine and rider".

 

That said let us go to the actual Rules and Regulations: Rule 15 covers Protests, but our preamble mentions grievances!  What is the difference?  Grievance a wrong considered as grounds for complaint...

Protest a manifest expression of objection or disapproval. So if you have riders not following the rules and the act is so noted it is a grievance against the person. When you put it into writing and ask for formal action it is a protest.

 

At no place is there provision for any one other than the Protest and Grievance Committee to process a protest and determine violations as well as impose penalties.

 

In summation. You as the ride Manager may set more stringent rules, in the interests of safety. If these rules are violated, and the violation is documented you may deny completion. But remember the additional rules must be presented in writing to all riders prior to the start of the ride. Be aware that if you do undertake such action, a Protest may result, thus the necessity of complete documentation.

 

Bob

 

 -----Original Message-----
From: Lif Strand [mailto:fasterhorses@gilanet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 8:33 AM
To: ridecamp@endurance.net
Subject: RC: RE: Re: MALIBU RIDE AND TRAIL INCIDENT

At 07:39 AM 6/20/01, Bob Morris wrote:

 The Rules Committee has seen no good in promulgating specific rules on personal actions. But these actions can cause much dissention with in the ranks. Therefore it is up to these ranks of riders to self police.

Question:  Just how much leeway does a RM have in these circumstances?  Could a RM disqualify a rider for cause if the ride rules had some sort of clear statement about extreme rudeness?  And how would such a statement be worded?

Lif Strand

Quemado NM  USA

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