RE: Hunters & Jumpers/Bilt

["Bob Morris" <bobmorris@rmci.net>]

Angie:

I do not see any thing to tear up. It is very simple. If the ride was
initially sanctioned through the AERC, then AERC Rules and Regulations
prevail. The FEI, dual sanctioned rules are secondary. If the initial ride
sanctioning was through the FEI, then the FEI rules prevail.

It is again, very simple. The bitch starts when the FEI rules and conditions
are imposed upon those riders entered in just the AERC ride.

Of interest to me would be the number of total entries and the number of FEI
entries. Is the tail wagging the dog?

Bob Morris

-----Original Message-----
From: Rides 2 Far [mailto:rides2far@juno.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 7:58 PM
To: katswig@earthlink.net
Cc: ridecamp@endurance.net
Subject: RC: Hunters & Jumpers/Bilt


> Go to any AERC endurance ride (not one that is dual sanctioned > the
FEI, just a regular ride), and ask how many of the people> there have the
goal of getting over the finish line first.> Betcha that it is
significantly less than a third.

Ahh, but do you think that all of us that entered the FEI division were
going for first?  Wrong. Points towards 18 open slots in USA East...felt
just like an AERC points race.  I was also surprised to see some of my
friends from the South had entered the FEI division and they weren't even
nominated for the Pan Am. Sarah Engsberg, Roger Blaylock, and Doug
Sandlin.  Said they just wanted the experience.  Don't know about others,
but none of them went for first.  Personally, I'm better at winning wars
of attrition.  I checked the results and I was 16th overall in the 100.
I was 14th in the USA East squad in the 100....I was fourth in the 104
mile race, I was 5th SERA overall, but I was FIRST SERA IN THE 104
miler!!!  I guess maybe I did want first if I bothered to figure that
out, but that's the only way I tried to get it...after the fact.

Now, just to show you that you and I aren't necessarily on different
sides all together. I'll bring up an interesting situation that came up
the night before the ride.  Teddy Lancaster stood up and asked the
question:  (paraphrased) "If a horse entered int he FEI race gets
disqualified on the 2 strikes you're out P&R rule, or doesn't meet
criteria within a thirty minutes of completion and gets disqualified from
the FEI ride, can they still go on for an AERC completion under AERC
rules since they're entered in the open ride too."  Boy! Talk about a
loaded question!  Total silence everywhere...then nervous laughter.  The
FEI guy thought that if FEI disqualified them they were out for the day,
they'd sort of waived their chance at an AERC completion.  The crowed
murmered angrily....because, we ARE AERC riders, duely entered in the
open competition...and if we met AERC criteria we thought we should be
allowed to drop out of the FEI division and continue AERC.  So...what do
ya'll think?  The staff used the wisdom of Solomon and conferred.  What
they decided was that they would waive the 2 strikes you're out
(YEAH!!!!)  and (If I got this right) we would have the hour to meet AERC
criteria at the end.  Now, none of the other complaints I've seen brought
up...such as removing heart monitors, etc. were worthy of discussion in
my mind, but this is something that needs to be settled by the upper ups
before it crops up again at a ride.  Now...there's a chunk of meat thrown
to you guys...tear it up! >eg<

Angie


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