Re: ridecamp-d Digest V00 #1745

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> ridecamp-d Digest				Volume 00 : Issue 1745
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> Today's Topics:
>   RC: Re: Barefoot endurance            [ "Truman
> Prevatt, PhD" <truman.preva ]
>   RC: Re: Re: Barefoot endurance        [ "Karen
> Sullivan" <greymare@jps.net> ]
>   RC: SR Enduro for sale                [ Karen
> Clanin <kclanin@fix.net> ]
>   RC: RE: Re: Re: Barefoot Endurance?   [ "Kathy
> Mayeda" <kathy_mayeda@atce.c ]
>   RC: RE: Re: Barefoot endurance        [ "Alison
> Farrin" <alison@innovativep ]
>   RC: Horse containment in camp         [
> wsabg@t-online.de (Wolfgang Schwing ]
>   RC: Problem with trailer brakes       [ "John &
> Sue Greenall" <greenall@ver ]
>   RC: Re: Barefoot endurance            [
> Lksarge@aol.com ]
>   RC: Re: Barefoot Endurance?           [ "Lynette"
> <helgeson@ndak.net> ]
>   RC: Fwd: RC: Problem with trailer br  [
> Klc5355@aol.com ]
>   RC: 2001 XP, links                    [
> DreamWeaver <dreamweaver@gbis.com> ]
>   RC: Barefoot Endurance?               [
> RDShoe4U@aol.com ]
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> Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 23:50:03 -0500
> From: "Truman Prevatt, PhD"
> <truman.prevatt@netsrq.com>
> To: "ridecamp@endurance.net"
> <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Subject: RC:   Re: Barefoot endurance
> 
> There was a rider in FL that rode a barefoot horse.
> She had lots of mile on
> this horse without shoes. She finally put shoes on
> his hind feet because
> they were getting too short. One year she had 600
> miles on him barefoot.
> This old boy had one set of awesome feet. He is the
> exception, not the
> norm.
> 
> Truman
> 
> "guest@endurance.net" wrote:
> 
> > Denise Johnson dollyjj@juno.com
> > OK, so we have Darolyn, and Kat  with barefoot
> experience during rides.
> >  I know the Hackworth family did an LD a few years
> ago with two or so
> > horses barefooted.   I would like to know if any
> other ridecampers have
> > completed LDs or 50s barefooted or with just EZs
> over?   C'mon
> > experienced barefooters speak up!
> >
> > Denise Johnson
> > PS
> >
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> ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 
> Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 20:38:29 -0800
> From: "Karen Sullivan" <greymare@jps.net>
> To: <guest@endurance.net>
> CC: <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Subject: RC:  Re: Re: Barefoot endurance
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <guest@endurance.net>
> 
> 
> 
> > Denise Johnson dollyjj@juno.com
> > OK, so we have Darolyn, and Kat  with barefoot
> experience during rides.
> >  I know the Hackworth family did an LD a few years
> ago with two or so
> > horses barefooted.   I would like to know if any
> other ridecampers have
> > completed LDs or 50s barefooted or with just EZs
> over?   C'mon
> > experienced barefooters speak up!
> >
> > Denise Johnson
> > PS
> >
> >
> Several years ago my friend Tammy Stucki did the
> Sunriver 25 on her POA/Arab
> cross Shadow barefoot......got best condition.
> This year their Arab Shilo completed the Chamberlin
> Creek 25, and the Lake
> Oroville 25 barefoot.
> 
> Karen
> 
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> ATTACHMENT part 4 message/rfc822 
> Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 21:03:33 -0800
> From: Karen Clanin <kclanin@fix.net>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: RC:  SR Enduro for sale
> 
> please see pics etc at link at web page
> www.fix.net/~kclanin/
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> ATTACHMENT part 5 message/rfc822 
> Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 21:16:23 -0800
> From: "Kathy Mayeda" <kathy_mayeda@atce.com>
> To: <MTo9831816@aol.com>, <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Subject: RC:  RE: Re: Re: Barefoot Endurance?
> 
> " I don't see how my 4 white footed horse could be
> rode 
> without shoes!  My horses are all out 24/7
> Blessings Mona
> 
> 
> Mona, my gelding has four white hooves and he has
> good
> deep frogs and can go barefoot under certain
> conditions.
> 
> But my mare by the same sire with 3 black feet has a
> really hard time going barefoot.  Since she's been
> leased
> out as a broodmare, she's been barefoot, not ridden,
> and her hooves are in terrible shape.  Of course the
> guy I'm leasing her to has been negligent and I've
> been
> on his case about it.  She has shallow soles and
> now have terrible flairs so her hooves look like
> pancakes.
> I'm taking her back for the winter and hopefully
> we could do some repairs.
> 
> But my gelding would absolutely have no problem with
> 
> the exact same living conditions.  Four white hoove
> does not mean that they are weaker!
> 
> BTW, the winter that he got sore in his winter
> pasture
> was because the farrier told me he had good enough
> hooves
> to go barefoot and was only pleasure trail riding
> occasionally
> (life before endurance).  My mare living in the same
> pastures as my gelding could not go any length of
> time
> without shoes if I am riding her.
> 
> K.
> 
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> ATTACHMENT part 6 message/rfc822 
> Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 21:48:35 -0800
> From: "Alison Farrin" <alison@innovativepension.com>
> To: <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Subject: RC:  RE: Re: Barefoot endurance
> 
> Did the 25 at Warner Springs last year barefoot. 
> Did all our training miles
> before we started competing barefoot.  When we got
> to 20+ training miles a
> week and a 25 or a 50 ride once a month, we just ran
> out of hoof and had to
> add shoes.  Could have gone to easyboots, but I'm
> still avoiding the
> learning curve required<G>  I expect to pull shoes
> this week and keep both
> horses barefoot until just before Warner Springs in
> January.  Will probably
> pull them again after the ride and leave them off
> until late March/early
> April when we start seriously competing.  I do add
> pads for rocky rides -
> the horses seem to want to move out better and don't
> pick their way gingerly
> thru the rocks with shoes & pads.
> 
> Alison Farrin
> Innovative Pension Strategy & Design
> alison@innovativepension.com
> 858-451-9594 x 107
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: guest@endurance.net
> [mailto:guest@endurance.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 9:09 PM
> > To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> > Subject: RC: Re: Barefoot endurance
> >
> >
> > Denise Johnson dollyjj@juno.com
> > OK, so we have Darolyn, and Kat  with barefoot
> experience during rides.
> >  I know the Hackworth family did an LD a few years
> ago with two or so
> > horses barefooted.   I would like to know if any
> other ridecampers have
> > completed LDs or 50s barefooted or with just EZs
> over?   C'mon
> > experienced barefooters speak up!
> >
> > Denise Johnson
> > PS
> >
> >
> >
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> ATTACHMENT part 7 message/rfc822 
> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:50:15 +0100
> From: wsabg@t-online.de (Wolfgang Schwingenheuer)
> To: ridecamp <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Subject: RC:  Horse containment in camp
> 
> Hi group,
> 
> after some serious accidents here in Germany with
> horses running loose, I decided last year to build a
> corral. I made it
> on my own, from aluminium tubes. I transport the
> panels on the outside of my horse-trailer. I do have
> 10 panels, 6.5
> feet each. They make a nice paddock with about 21
> feet diameter, big enough for Ninja to move around.
> When I am next to
> him, I open the panels and he can walk into a
> electric-fence paddock. But as soon as I leave or
> overnight, he is inside
> the closed panels! The whole thing costs me less
> than $200, btw.
> The worst accident we had was a horse jumping right
> on a tent, hitting one of the people inside on the
> head - serious
> head-injuries! I slept right next to that tent...
> 
> Wolfgang
> Germany
> 
> 
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> ATTACHMENT part 8 message/rfc822 
> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 09:09:52 -500
> From: "John & Sue Greenall" <greenall@vermontel.net>
> To: ectra@onelist.com, ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: RC:  Problem with trailer brakes
> 
> I am still at a loss about my problem with a 2000
> Chev. Silverado 
> truck.  It is an 8600 GVW with a 410 rear.  
> Any help with this is MOST appreciated.  I am in a
> head lock with 
> GM about it, they insist it is NOT the truck.
> The problem started in June, about 10,000 miles on
> the truck.  No 
> problem prior to that.  This is an obvious problem,
> one that caused 
> me to drive off the road with the trailer in July.
> When applying the brakes, the
> truck lurches forward and back violently, to the
> point that you would 
> be thrown to the floor without a seat belt.  It is
> not the ABS braking 
> system.   I checked out the 
> trailer first, nothing.  Local Chev dealer took one
> look at the rig and 
> declared the trailer too big for the truck.  GM
> states that the truck 
> can pull 10,800#, the trailer weighs 8300 without
> horses.  Problem 
> exists even when empty. I have no problem pulling
> the trailer with 
> another truck.   We finally found that the truck
> brakes 
> were severely overheated and had to be replaced.  GM
> blamed the 
> trailer.  Drove home with new brakes and STILL had
> the problem.  I 
> started to get mad.  Since then I have had it to two
> dealers, two 
> regional reps and a GM engineer who cannot find a
> thing.  Still 
> claim it is a timing problem between the truck
> brakes and the 
> trailer brakes.  Ummm, can't explain why it did not
> originally do it, 
> why the brakes overheated in the truck or why the
> truck still does it 
> when the trailer brakes are completely disengaged. 
> So, I am stuck 
> with this lemon and heading towards arbitration. 
> Madder than ever 
> about it too!  I have been trying to resolve this
> for 4 months, any 
> suggestions would be very welcome!
> 
> John and Sue Greenall
> mailto:greenall@vermontel.net
> http://www.vermontel.com/~greenall
> 
> 
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> ATTACHMENT part 9 message/rfc822 
> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 09:30:12 EST
> From: Lksarge@aol.com
> To: <guest@endurance.net>
> Subject: RC:   Re: Barefoot endurance
> 
> Denise Johnson dollyjj@juno.com
> OK, so we have Darolyn, and Kat  with barefoot
> experience during rides. 
>  I know the Hackworth family did an LD a few years
> ago with two or so
> horses barefooted.   I would like to know if any
> other ridecampers have
> completed LDs or 50s barefooted or with just EZs
> over?   C'mon
> experienced barefooters speak up!
> 
> Denise Johnson
> PS
> 
> 
> I have a BLM mustang that does great barefoot, have
> done several 50's 
> barefoot and most of the LD I've done. Including
> rocky parks.
> 
> Lisa
> 
> 
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> ATTACHMENT part 10 message/rfc822 
> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 09:14:43 -0600
> From: "Lynette" <helgeson@ndak.net>
> To: <MTo9831816@aol.com>, <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Subject: RC:   Re: Barefoot Endurance?
> 
> Let me tell you about my 4 white footed, soft hoofed
> horse. We could never
> ride him even moderately without shoes. I would pull
> his shoes for the
> winter, but in the spring as soon as I started
> putting some miles on him, I
> would have to put on shoes or there would not be
> enough left to nail shoes
> on. We had problems with fine cracks on his feet and
> he would throw a shoe
> easily.
> 
> Another problem and this was a bigger one, was he
> also had a chronic back
> problem. I tried different saddles, different bits,
> tried to improve my
> riding, and it got worse. To the point where he was
> unridable, laid his ears
> back as soon as you hit the saddle. Did not want to
> be caught, would throw
> himself around to avoid being saddled, and would not
> stand still to be
> mounted and hated to be ridden. This was an purebred
> high % crabbet Arab
> that I knew would do well in endurance. Good
> recoveries, stayed cool, good
> head, no leg problems. But with his back and his
> feet there was no way I
> could do endurance with him.
> 
> A member of this list, I believe it was Jerald
> Thiesse, (thank a lot
> Jerald), told me that his back problems might be
> from his back feet being
> trimmed wrong. He suggest that I check into the
> natural trim. I found an
> natural trimmer in ND who had studied under Lyle
> "Bergy" Bergeleen. This
> farrier had also trained under Pat Parelli, so he
> not only knew how to do
> the natural trim, but also knew the natural way to
> handle horses, (which
> work well since we had just purchased two horses
> that would not let anyone
> pick up their feet.)
> 
> Well to make a long story short, this crabbet
> chestnut Arab is running
> barefoot, with a lot more miles then he ever has
> been ridden, his hooves are
> harder, the hoof wall is stronger, and he has a lot
> better growth. Plus, no
> more sore back!!!
> His attitude has improved 100%. And he is the horse
> that my husband run LD
> this past summer, (which I might add he BC on) and
> could have easily done
> 50's with. I am going to do 50's with him this next
> summer. And we have not
> had to put another shoe on him since we started with
> the natural trim. Plus
> all 10 of my horses have better and stronger hooves.
> Believe me I am sold on
> this trim and going barefoot on my horses.
> 
> Also, if anyone is interested in knowing the details
> on how this trim cured
> my horse's sore back problem, let me know, and I
> will go into detail. But I
> figure this email has gotten long enough!
> 
> Lynette Helgeson
> In ND where the terrain varies.
> > I have a mare that we have never had shoes on..
> she has feet like iron...
> > when we started really working her here in AZ her
> feet started getting
> > shorter and shorter untill she started to get
> gimpy... we had to shoe her
> for
> > the first time .. I don't see how my 4 white
> footed horse could be rode
> > without shoes!  My horses are all out 24/7
> > Blessings Mona
> >
> >
> >
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> ATTACHMENT part 11 message/rfc822 
> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 12:57:30 EST
> From: Klc5355@aol.com
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: RC:  Fwd: RC:  Problem with trailer brakes
> 
> In a message dated 11/16/2000 9:56:35 AM Pacific
> Standard Time, Klc5355 
> writes:
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > >> 
> >> I am still at a loss about my problem with a 2000
> Chev. Silverado 
> >> truck.  It is an 8600 GVW with a 410 rear.  
> >> Any help with this is MOST appreciated.  I am in
> a head lock with 
> >> GM about it, they insist it is NOT the truck.
> >> The problem started in June, about 10,000 miles
> on the truck.  No 
> >> problem prior to that.  This is an obvious
> problem, one that caused 
> >> me to drive off the road with the trailer in
> July. When applying the 
> >> brakes, the
> >> truck lurches forward and back violently, to the
> point that you would 
> >> be thrown to the floor without a seat belt.  It
> is not the ABS braking 
> >> system.   I checked out the 
> >> 
> > 
> > 
> > Check out the wiring from your brake controller to
> the wiring harness. You 
> > have ABS brakes and you are not supposed to
> connect to the wire at the 
> > brake pedal. You should be connecting to the
> wiring harness at a different 
> > location. This may or not be your problem, but you
> will want to check it 
> > out. Ford, specifically tells you not to do the
> connection at this point, 
> > as it can affect how the ABS works. This may be
> why you are grabbing when 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 

> ATTACHMENT part 11.2 message/rfc822 
> From: Klc5355@aol.com
> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 12:56:35 EST
> Subject: Re: RC:  Problem with trailer brakes
> To: greenall@vermontel.net
> 
> In a message dated 11/16/2000 6:11:50 AM Pacific
> Standard Time, 
> greenall@vermontel.net writes:
> 
> 
> > 
> > I am still at a loss about my problem with a 2000
> Chev. Silverado 
> > truck.  It is an 8600 GVW with a 410 rear.  
> > Any help with this is MOST appreciated.  I am in a
> head lock with 
> > GM about it, they insist it is NOT the truck.
> > The problem started in June, about 10,000 miles on
> the truck.  No 
> > problem prior to that.  This is an obvious
> problem, one that caused 
> > me to drive off the road with the trailer in July.
> When applying the 
> > brakes, the
> > truck lurches forward and back violently, to the
> point that you would 
> > be thrown to the floor without a seat belt.  It is
> not the ABS braking 
> > system.   I checked out the 
> > 
> 
> Check out the wiring from your brake controller to
> the wiring harness. You 
> have ABS brakes and you are not supposed to connect
> to the wire at the brake 
> pedal. You should be connecting to the wiring
> harness at a different 
> location. This may or not be your problem, but you
> will want to check it out. 
> Ford, specifically tells you not to do the
> connection at this point, as it 
> can affect how the ABS works. This may be why you
> are grabbing when the 
> trailer is connected. Ken Cook, West region.
> 

> ATTACHMENT part 12 message/rfc822 
> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 10:17:29 -0800
> From: DreamWeaver <dreamweaver@gbis.com>
> To: ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: RC:  2001 XP, links
> 
> This is a page of links that riders who are doing
> the 2001 XP might find 
> useful.
> 
> http://www.endurance.net/2001xp/   This is still
> under construction.  If 
> anybody has any other suggestions or ideas that
> would be helpful, please 
> email them to me.  Thank you!
> 
> Official information on the ride can be found at: 
> http://www.xprides.com
> 
> Karen
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> ATTACHMENT part 13 message/rfc822 
> Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 15:09:12 EST
> From: RDShoe4U@aol.com
> To: bpeck@together.net, ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: RC:   Barefoot Endurance?
> 
> I attended a lecture on that very study if its the
> one done If I remember 
> right in Mich.Lots of good info.As a farrier I was
> taught these three basic 
> reason for shoeing a horse. 1.Traction
>              2.Excessive wear
>              3.Theraputic
> If none of the above are a problem best left bare
> foot.I agree with the post 
> talking about treating horses as individules.A few
> other things to keep in 
> mind are weather, usage, breed.One of the biggest
> that is overlooked is 
> weather I feel.Amount of time horse spends out in
> the flies stomping.My two 
> cents RD
> 
> 
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