Re: Re: Re: Choke/colic -- second opinion?

["Susan Garlinghouse" <suendavid@worldnet.att.net>]

No, the chances are higher that they'll choke on dry, not wet.  Though the
few horses I've been around that will choke on beet pulp will also happily
choke on hay pellets, dry wheat bran, pieces of carrot of apple as you
described, anything of about that size or of a "fluffy" consistency.  So
it's also a function of size and shape, not just the fact that it's beet
pulp.

susan g
----- Original Message -----
From: Celia Krall <celiak@pcrs.net>
To: <ridecamp@endurance.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 8:57 PM
Subject: RC: Re: Re: Choke/colic -- second opinion?


> Susan, are you saying that there is a greater chance of choking on wet
> (rather than dry) beet bulp?  Or colicking?  My mare choked early this
> spring - scary scary monster.  I've been feeding the soaked beet pulp ever
> since, with no problem.  I think she choked on carrots.  It was her first
> time with the other horses at a camp, and she whinnied right after I gave
> her the carrots, and then choked.  She won't eat a carrot now. You can
give
> her carrots with apples, and she works it all around in her mouth, and
> spits out the carrots, and munches the apples.  Don't want to feed her
> something that might ever cause her to choke again.
> Thanks,
>
> Cel
>
> ----------
> > From: Susan Garlinghouse <suendavid@worldnet.att.net>
> > To: tallcarabs@juno.com; ridecamp@endurance.net
> > Subject: RC:  Re: Choke/colic -- second opinion?
> > Date: Monday, September 11, 2000 7:09 PM
> >
> > I'll leave interpretation of the meds to Sarah, but if you do add beet
> pulp,
> > I'd say this colt is a candidate to never get dry unsoaked beet
pulp---if
> > he's ever choked on feed once, I just wouldn't ever want to chance it.
> > Probably went without saying, but worth saying anyway.
> >
> > And if it were my choice, better an overanxious vet than an underanxious
> > one---we had eight severe, surgical colics come into the CSU VTH this
> past
> > weekend, the ones that came in promptly are doing well or on their way
> home
> > in the next day or two.  Two died, while or before they got to surgery,
> > because they didn't come in until they were already crashing.
> >
> > Good luck with him,
> >
> > susan g
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <tallcarabs@juno.com>
> > To: <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 9:24 AM
> > Subject: RC: Choke/colic -- second opinion?
> >
> >
> > > Hi, I have a colt that choked, possibly brought on by a mild colic
> > > yesterday while I was away on vacation.  The vet was called and I'm a
> > > little overwhelmed with all the meds she has prescribed for him for
the
> > > next week.  Now, this vet, I have always thought she goes a bit
> overboard
> > > when it comes to colic.  She's very quick to ship a horse up to Texas
> > > A&M.  Many times a situation that my old vet would have said -- give
> some
> > > Banamine and keep a close eye on him and call me back in 30 minutes
> (99%
> > > of the time, the horse would be fine by then.  I've been lucky to
catch
> > > colics very early)   -- this vet would be there immediately and be
> tubing
> > > the horse as soon as she arrived.  Not that I'm complaining, much.  I
> > > know how serious colic can be and maybe it is better to be safe than
> > > sorry, but sometimes I feel she's doing way more than it necessary.
> OK,
> > > that's the background on the vet and my views.  Here's the findings on
> my
> > > colt:
> > >   Exam:  T=102, P=50, R=20.  MM pink,  CRT ~ 3 sec.
> > > Feed matierial coming from both nostrils & mouth
> > > Choke was relieved -- passed NG tube.  Airway oscolted with crackles
> > > (sp??) - probable aspiration of feed material.  May develop aspiration
> > > pneumonia.
> > >
> > >    Rx: 1. No turn out for 3-5 days
> > > 2. No hay or grain first day
> > > 3. Day 2 - 10 -- no hay.  Feed small amts of soaked, very wet pellets
> > > 3-4 x a day.  add salt and electrolytes
> > > 4. Give 20 cc albuterol syrup by mouth am/pm for 5 - 7 days
> > > 5. Give 22 cc Penicillin IM for 7 - 10 days
> > > 6. Give 20 cc Gentocin IM or IV 1x /day for 5 - 7 days
> > > 7. Monitor temp 1x/day,  if >102, call
> > > 8. Monitor for depression, off feed, productive cough
> > > 9. Give 8 cc Banamine 1x/day for 2 days, IM
> > > 10. After 7-10 days, can feed wet hay.
> > >
> > > Does this seem like an awful lot of meds for a yearling?  Is she
> > > overdoing it?  Is this right on target?   General is also skinny right
> > > now and I think 10 days on less than half his normal ration will make
> him
> > > extrememly thin.  Would it hurt to add a handfull or two of beet pulp
> to
> > > his soaked pellets?  #8 is not a problem.  General is very active this
> > > morning and extremely ticked off that he didn't get enough to eat and
> > > that he had to stay in the barn.
> > >
> > > Any help would be much appreciated. :o)
> > >
> > > Rae
> > > Tall C Arabians - TX
> > >
> > >
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