Re: RE: Chiropractors

["Jeanne Slominski" <endurancemorgan@home.com>]

Kathy,

Very good post. I used Nancy too, until Sandy learned chiro & acupuncture.
What a difference it makes in both of my horses. I also see a chiropractor.

Sorry this response is so late, I'm a little behind in my RC posts. <vbg>

Jeanne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kathy Mayeda" <kathy_mayeda@atce.com>
To: <Tivers@aol.com>; <ridecamp@endurance.net>
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 9:30 PM
Subject: RC: RE: Chiropractors


> Okay, this is where you and I will always disagree!  I won't even
> pretend to be able to change your mind, but I want to relay my
> own personal experiences with chiropractors, both human and equine.
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> I went to an orthopedic surgeon when a dislocated my "rude finger".
> Okay, I spend most of my day at the keyboard, and am kind of dependent
> on my finger working.  But the orthopedic surgeon essentially told
> me that my finger will always be deformed and have limited range of
> motion.  I went to my chiropractor for another issue, and relayed
> what the orthopedic surgeon told me.  She said "B---- S----", and
> proceeded to work on it via manipulation and ultrasound, told me
> to take some of the same supplements you recommend, and got
> some physical therapy.  I now have full range of motion
> in that finger with no deformity. No thanks to the orthopedic surgeon,
> who is affiliated with Stanford University.
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> I can flip you off with finesse now!
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> If I DON'T get an chiropractic adjustment, my pelvis gets
> out of whack and I'm in pain.  My sciolosis gets more pronounced
> and I get to be a real crooked rider.  If I am good and
> go see my chiropracter when I feel slightly tweeked, my back
> doesn't go into spasm like it did last time!  I KNEW my hip
> was tweeked before I rode the Fireworks 50 but didn't get adjusted.
> Didn't get adjusted before crewing the Swanton 100 either and the
> following day, I had a terrible time getting out of bed.
>
> I went to the
> doctor.  He didn't do anything because I had already told him
> I made an appointment with my chiropractor.  His comment was,
> "You'll be treated if you go to your chiropractor.  We would just
> be treating you with drugs instead to do the same thing."  I always
> feel immediate relief after a chiropractic treatment, although
> I have to admit this last spasm took quite a few treatments.
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> My horse couldn't physically make it up the hill last year.  You
> could see that his whole hip was assymetrical.  I had a well
> known endurance vet who has a base practice in equine chiropractic
> and accupuncture treat him with accupuncture and chiropractic
> manipulation.  The very next time I rode my horse, he was able
> to power himself up that very same hill without a problem.  He
> tweeked himself rolling in the paddock and getting tangled in his
> sheet earlier this winter.  Tweeked again, acted lame.  Called
> Nancy again and he was no longer lame.  She never ran "diagnostics"
> other than structural alignment - in fact she would refer a new
> client to a regular vet for diagnosis before she would
> schedule an appointment.  She also evaluates the horses dental
> alignment and farrier work in a much more structurally integrative
> way than a traditional clinical vet.
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> Accupuncture is based on traditional Chinese medicine.  It's not
> a "New Age" unicorn thing for unicorn woman.  I have also studied
> martial arts and there is a lot to be said about internal power
> and energy flow.  The "ki" as my ancestors would say or "qi"
> as the Chinese would call it. It probably scares the Irish in you.
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> All the rest of the stuff you mentioned,
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> "alternative" equine
> treatment modalities. Lasers,
> magnets, infrared diodes, TTouch,
> "whispering", mind reading, etc.lasers,"
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> really don't have much to do with chiropractors.  The ultrasound
> treatment I received from my chiropractor is the same ultrasound
> treatment I received from the Stanford Sports Medicine group
> when I had my ACL injury.
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> Okay, TI.  Tear me apart.  I'm expecting it.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tivers@aol.com [mailto:Tivers@aol.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 8:31 PM
> To: kathy_mayeda@atce.com; ridecamp@endurance.net
> Subject: Re: Chiropractors
>
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> In a message dated 9/11/00 4:46:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> kathy_mayeda@atce.com writes:
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> << Tom - what is your point, please?  Are we differentiating between
>  equine chiropractors who come from a DVM standpoint, which many of them
>  do, the lay chiropractor, or the equine chiropractor coming from the
>  human realm?  Are these soft-tissue injuries you are talking about?
>
>  Do you have objections to equine chiropracters?
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>  K. >>
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> Yes, I do. Manipulative techniques are questionable in human medicine, as
> are
> another half-dozen "alternative" equine treatment modalities. Lasers,
> magnets, infrared diodes, TTouch, "whispering", mind reading, etc.
>
> To the extent that a medical person is focused on unproven "technologies",
> that person is NOT focused on diagnostic medicine. What I routinely get
from
> DVM chiiropractors is the same quality of advice that I get from TTeam
> practitioners--that is, without any diagnosis whatsoever, a "cure" is
> predicted from the treatment practiced by that person for a hocus pocus
> "diagnosis" that has absolutely no basisi in fact.
>
> As an example, more than one DVM chiropractor goes around and diagnoses
> equine herpes in every horse, and selling large buckets of lysine to
> unsuspecting morons. Another gives you the "hold your arm up while I hold
> this herb next to your heart" carney trick everywhere he goes. Others
> practice elaborate hoaxes with "energy pathways" and "nerve blockages" ,
and
> assorted fantasies that sell real well to women of the "unicorn"
persuasion.
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> I try to deal with genuine medics as much as possible, and don't want to
> hear
> about diagnoses regurgitated by the neighborhood quack. If you want to
know
> what a chiropractor can do for a horse, get Dr. James Rooney's latest
videos
> and listen carefully. Rooney was head of the Gluck Center in Kentucky and
> one
> of the best clinical vets I've encountered. Seen it all, including every
> form
> of quackery. Or ask any university clinical vet for an honest opinion.
>
> ti.
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