Re: Re: TEVIS, GUESTS, AND REPLY TO MERRYBEN

["Genie Wunderlich" <drubaska@leru.net>]

I was also at Robinson towards the end, horses being treated were towards
the front of the pack.
I was also at M.B. when the late riders came in and they extended their time
30 minutes.  these horses did not need treatment, even with having came out
of that canyon at a faster than normal pace.
I then went to Forest Hill, all horses were in when I got there, the horses
being treated were not the horses at the back of the pack.
I can never understand how somebody can comment on something when they were
not there.  And have never been to a Tevis vet check.
The vets at the Tevis are wonderful, hard working, conciencious vets.  But
they cannot control the rider out on the trail!
A ride like the Tevis needs cutoff times, and if you have a horse that can
(you hope) just make cut off times then you have no business entering.  A
smart rider allows  time  for the unexpected.
Genie Wunderlich, ESMT

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joan Dowis" <jdowis@foothill.net>
To: "Nancy Mitts" <mitts_n@hotmail.com>
Cc: "ridecamp" <ridecamp@endurance.net>
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 12:05 AM
Subject: RC: Re: TEVIS, GUESTS, AND REPLY TO MERRYBEN


> Nancy,
>
> I believe you will find the treated horses were into Robinson Flat well
> before the cut-off times, like 2 hours or more.  The stats will tell, but
I
> was at Robinson 2 hours before cutoff and several horses were being
treated.
> These were horses that were ridden way too fast going in.
>
> Joan Dowis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nancy Mitts" <mitts_n@hotmail.com>
> To: <Dekarab@home.com>; <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 8:42 AM
> Subject: RC: TEVIS, GUESTS, AND REPLY TO MERRYBEN
>
>
> > Whew,I think I've finally waded through all the posts in this thread!!
> > After all the discussion about how to better "control" riders & avoid
> > treating horses, this post brings up an important point---those cut-off
> > times early in the ride.
> > The reported high number of treatments were allegedly due to an
unexpected
> > number of back of the pack myositis.
> > Several posters here indicated they were riding conservatively & pacing
> > their horses well, but due to the long wait at the unexpected VC had to
> push
> > harder than they felt comfortable with to meet the cut-offs.
> > Those that made it had no trouble making the cut-offs later in the ride.
> > This is consistant with my experiences at rides with cutoffs. Any little
> > delay throws riders off their game plan, and the cut-off throws in an
> > artificial obstacle. The technical difficulty of the Tevis is one of
it's
> > attractions, and sometimes **** happens, tough luck. Hauling 2000 miles
> just
> > to play cut-off roulette, however, has limited appeal.
> > I wonder how many of the treated horses would not have been if the
riders
> > knew they could continue their own pace?
> > So how about relaxing those cut-off times at those early checks,
> especially
> > when they get changed from trot-bys to full checks? The same thing was
> done
> > 2 years ago when I was out there, so why not build that time allowance
> in??
> >
> > Nancy Mitts
> >
> > >From: "guest@endurance.net" <guest@endurance.net>
> > >To: "ridecamp@endurance.net" <ridecamp@endurance.net>
> > >Subject: RC:  TEVIS, GUESTS, AND REPLY TO MERRYBEN
> > >Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 00:03:53 -0700
> > >
> > >Debbie Ekhaml Dekarab@home.com
> > >Hi Ridecampers,   As far as Tevis and the horse treated at Pacific
Slab,
> I
> > >would hope riders would prefer the Vet to treat the sick horse first.
If
> > >it was your own, I'm sure (hope)you would want it that way. I am also
> > >amazed at the people who are not present at events that are quick to
> flame.
> > >  I do have to disagree with Merryben on a point though "When 20 or 30
> > >riders come in at about the same time, you do have a long line. Deal
with
> > >it."  I did deal with it.  Along with other things that were promised
to
> be
> > >delivered at this ride that weren't.  I figure when I pay that much
money
> > >to do a ride, it is up to the management to provide what was promised.
> > >There was not enough Vet staff. Period.  It was compounded by the fact
> that
> > >this check was changed from a trot through to a full check. The vet
> decided
> > >too many horses were not looking good and changed it.  Great!!  These
> Vets
> > >really cared about the horses.  This is a good thing.  I don't know
> > >Merryben other than to read her column in Endurance News (which I do
> enjoy)
> > >so I'm not going to flame her.  I will assume she has ridden Tevis.  I
> will
> > >further assume she was at Pacific Mine to witness what was occuring
there
>

> > >I think she was).  To say "if you were riding to the cutoffs, you are
> > >simply riding too slow" is unfair.  You have 24 hours to finish.  No
one
> > >but the rider can judge their horse.  I was 1 hour ahead of the cutoffs
(as
> > >recommended at the pre-ride meeting)I never planned on riding my horse
any
> > >faster, because I knew we could finish. I have heard many stories of
people
> > >doing Tevis and coming home with injured horses or never doing another
> > >ride.  I admit I'm one of those sappy women that really loves and cares
> > >about the animal that is going to carry me 100 miles.  My goal was to
come
> > >
> home not only with a buckle, but with a sound horse.  Most importantly
> > >however, was to have a horse that has a good attitude at our next ride
> > >  he didn't have the stuffings ridden out of him!
> > >Yes, some people ride slow and don't make time cutoffs, but please
don't
> > >lump them in with people who don't make time due to circumstances
totally
> > >out of their control. I didn't accomplish all of my goals at Tevis,
but
> 2
> > >out of 3 isn't bad.  As far as I'm concerned, it was the most important
> 2.
> > >You can figure out which ones.  They'll always be buckles, but I only
> have
> > >1 horse, and he's alot more important that a piece of metal.  Debbie
> >
> >
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