Re: Re: Re:overweight an issue? - Weight vs. lean mass

[twoodcock@lendleaserei.com]

See, I can ask these questions, because my dogs never fight<G>, and I'm one of
those LD riders who's horse and self aren't in top physical shape.

Tamara




"superpat" <superpat@gateway.net> on 07/25/2000 11:35:12 PM

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Subject:  Re: Re: Re:overweight an issue? - Weight vs. lean mass




Since generally the 25 mile horses/riders are "on
> average" not in as good a physical shape?

Oh Boy, Tamara,
Now you've opened a giant can of worms. I am keeping my dog out of this
fight.
Pat

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From: <twoodcock@lendleaserei.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 3:17 PM
Subject: RC: Re: Re:overweight an issue? - Weight vs. lean mass


>
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> Educated guess-wise, would the same hold true for shorter distance
anaerobic
> events like 25 mile rides?  Since generally the 25 mile horses/riders are
"on
> average" not in as good a physical shape?
>
> Tamara
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> "Susan Garlinghouse" <suendavid@worldnet.att.net> on 07/25/2000 10:59:32
PM
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> Please respond to "Susan Garlinghouse" <suendavid@worldnet.att.net>
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> To:   Tivers@aol.com, ridecamp@endurance.net
> cc:    (bcc: Tamara Woodcock/US1/Lend Lease)
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> Subject:  RC:  Re: Re:overweight an issue? - Weight vs. lean mass
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> > Well, here's another field study: Given a 150 lb rider/equipment weight
> > smaller horses had higher heartrates than larger horses with a rider.
This
> in
> > contrast  to non-ridden treadmill work at similar speeds, where the
> smaller
> > horses tended to do better. This suggests that, as a percentage of body
> > weight of the horse, rider weight can impact stress loads significantly.
> The
> > smaller the horse and the heavier the rider, the more the negative
impact.
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> > ti
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> That may work on the treadmill, but under real conditions at a 100-mile
race
> (where it really counts), it doesn't.  We didn't measure individual heart
> rates, but if the horses carrying a heavier rider were at a disadvantage
in
> recoveries (which, following your theory, they should be), then it follows
> that out of several hundred horses, a trend should have showed up, putting
> the horses with the heavier riders lower in the placings, lower in
> completion rate, fewer miles before a pull or *something*.  We didn't see
> that, and believe me, I looked.  It might show up in shorter, faster
races,
> where energetics are a little different, but didn't at Tevis.  The only
> effect we saw with weight had to do with effect on lameness, but that's a
> biomechanical disadvantage, unrelated to metabolism.
>
> Susan G
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