Re: RC: dishy faces

[Bette Lamore <woa@stormnet.com>]

Hi Toni
Don't ask me about teacup noses and dishy dishes; I have Russians and
outcrosses and none of mine are what they want in halter classes now--
the extremes. I really don't know where that look came from nor the
giraff necks that were winning (and actually still are) in the halter
classes.
Hal won halter in the late 80's before there was such an extreme look
required. When Jeff Wonnell saw him in 94 he insisted we have one of the
top trainers look at him at Scottsdale as Jeff thought he was
magnificent (no, the horse). 16.2, typey, great hip. perfect legs. I
tried to tell Jeff that times had changed and he wasn't what they were
looking for and Jeff wouldn't believe it. So we had this young hotshot
come to our stalls and look at Hal. Out of all the things Hal had going
for him, do you want to know what he said? "Well his ears are short, but
they aren't tipped enough." That was it-- and walked off. 
So I am definitely not the one to ask about extreme look.
Bette Lamore
Whispering Oaks Arabians, Home of TLA Halynov
http://www.stormnet.com/~woa
I've learned that life is like a roll of toilet paper, the closer it
gets to the end, the faster it goes. Smell the roses!

Todd & Toni Jones wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> On another list (the Shagya list) we
> are discussing the extreme dished
> face/teacup muzzle features in some
> purebred Arabs. We are speculating
> as to what bloodlines this is most
> prevalent with in the purebred Arab.
> It has been noted that many of the
> early photographs of purebred Arabs
> they do not have dished faces. Arab
> type faces to be sure, but no dish.
> Can any breeders shed some more
> light on this?
> 
> An article I read some time ago
> stated that the Bedouins from a
> certain tribe (several centuries
> ago) felt that extreme dished
> faces/teacup muzzles were faults and
> discarded these animals from their
> breeding programs. However, they
> were pleased when they discovered
> that these animals were highly
> prized by European monarchs and that
> they would pay great sums for these
> "culls". The article speculated that
> the reason these extreme faces on
> the horses were considered "faults"
> was because of the possibility of
> reduced airway and teeth problems,
> i.e. upper jaw.
> 
> OK, all you purebred Arab fanciers
> and breeders, what do you say? All
> comments and speculation and
> knowledge is welcome. We are
> curious. I personally have noted
> that many of the photos in the Lady
> Wentworth book have "straight" faced
> Arabians and many of the Polish
> horses from Witez II's time are also
> rather "straight" faced. :)
> 
> CMK experts? Heidi? Bette? Lif? Arab
> breeders? What say you?
> 
> Toni Jones
> Shagya-Arabian stallion O'Biwon
> Central Oregon
> tjones@coinet.com
> 
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