RE: Self contained camper

["guest@endurance.net" <guest@endurance.net>]

Jessica Tuteur jessicat@napanet.net
You are right Heidi, nothing excuses the raid. Tempers 
flared after 2 years of being "ignored". But that is the 
RMs fault as well, don't you agree? The definition of 
self contained is irrelevant here.

I was there this year and last year and it is total BS to 
blame anyone but the RMs. THEY made it out to be no big 
deal that the rangers CAME to the ride meeting and told 
everyone about the rule and warned that htye would be 
inspecting during the night. RMs said nothing, didn't 
encourage riders to comply or assist them in making 
other arrangements. WHOSE responsibility is it to 
provide adequate camping facilities=RMs. Whose 
responsibility is it to tell THEIR participants of 
ANY AND ALL rules in the camping area=RMs.

People were forcibly evicted last year....
no one said a word. 

It is my opinion that the RMs should have to pay the 
riders back for the fines that were levied and that 
AERC should "discipline" the RMs for their total lack 
of preparedness for the disaster. Regardless of the 
rangers tactics!

Jessica





At 04:25 PM 5/5/00 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 5/5/00 1:10:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
>guest@endurance.net writes:
>
><< Unfortunately that was not good enough. Several
> people had porta potties in their horsetrailers.
> They were looking for real RV type accomodations.
> 
> And again...this is way off the point that it should
> have never happened in the first place. RMs knew about
> the situation and chose to ignore it. What more
> is to be said???? >>
>
>"Chose to ignore" is pretty one-sided.  More like did not address adequately. 
> The "what more" has been said several times, so no point in repeating it.
>
>As to self-contained--had ride management sent me a great big memo saying I 
>had to be self contained, I would have happily driven down with my gooseneck 
>with homemade LQ which contains a portapotty with more than sufficient 
>capacity for the weekend and the little hose and collapsible 5-gallon 
>container that hooks onto the outlet of my sink.  Fits virtually every 
>definition of "self-contained" I've ever met, and I've stayed in some pretty 
>"urban" places in that thing!  Gol-lee, I'd've been thrown out on my ear, 
>right along with the rest of the folks who were told earlier that they met 
>the definition in the daylight and got thrown out in the middle of the night.
>
>Once again--the fact that the RM may not have done exactly right still DOES 
>NOT excuse this sort of raid!
>
>Heidi
>
>