Re: Re: Getting Pulled

["John Bass" <jbass@beattynv.com>]

Lousie,
Someone had better tell the people who have the data base on Endurance net
that there is full disclosure on rides, rider history and horse history.
What difference could it possibly make if the disclosure is on the internet
or in print?
Shouldn't a horse that is consistently lame or has metabolic problems lose
some of it value as an endurance horse?  Is it ethically right to sell a
horse to someone if it has problems and not disclose the problem? Being able
to look up the horses record can be an asset or a liability depending on how
you look at it.
Every horse should be vetted out and recorded rather it is a rider option or
not. Then if the record shows RO people will know that it was in fact the
riders option and nothing wrong with the horse.
The horse is the #1 priority in this sport not the riders reputation or the
pocket book.
Let the truth be known.
John



----- Original Message -----
From: Louise Burton <firedancefarms@prodigy.net>
To: <ridecamp@endurance.net>
Cc: Barbara McCrary <BMcCrary27@aol.com>; Vonita Bowers <mikeita@txk.net>;
Susan Swope-Attardi <Nagzarus@worldnet.att.net>; Randy Eiland
<renegade12@juno.com>; ridemanagers <ridemanagers@aerc.org>; aerc ctlist
<AERC_CT_Region@onelist.com>; AERC OFFICE <aerc@foothill.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 10:17 PM
Subject: RC: Re: Getting Pulled


> This is something I feel very strongly about. Please bear with me, this
has
> taken some time to think out coherently,esp at 12am!
> This is a situation that cannot be looked upon as good in any way.  First,
> as you mention, the facts are not facts (depends on vet and area, etc),
and
> it does nothing positive to mention names.  I have heard reasons from
"that
> way we can blacklist people" to "see she doesn't know how to rate her
> horse"...for reasons to list names.  NO POSITIVE reasons at all.
Basically
> it's none of anyone's business if you want to pull!
> I can see SOME  value in posting NUMBERS (though those aren't realistic
> either..but better).
> Some thoughts...
> If you post names...here are some problems....
> 1.  "Sally-Jo" has a great endurance horse for sale.  She decides "he just
> isn't right" after stepping on a stone, and pulls, telling the vet she
> thinks he's a little off.  She's being honest and considerate of her
> horse..doing everything right.  But BAM!  This horse is forever
blacklisted
> in AERC records as being PULLED FOR LAMENESS.  There goes a lot of sales
> opportunity.
> 2.  "Sally-Jo" has a great endurance horse for sale.  The horse is
slightly
> off.  He stepped on a rock.  She decides to pull him.  She is considerate
of
> her horse, but she LIES to the mgmt.  says she's sick...doesn't want a
> PULLED FOR LAMENESS on this horse's records.
> 3.  "Sally-Jo" has a great endurance horse for sale.  This horse is
slightly
> off from stepping on a rock.  She considers pulling.  No, she sure doesn't
> want THAT listed next to his name...you know, PULLED FOR LAMENESS.  So,
> against her better judgment, she finishes the ride, the horse passes the
> completion check, but in pain, and now so sore he must have a month off
from
> a stone bruise.
>
> If you don't think this will happen, I personally know of two cases where
an
> owner pulled (one was "not quite right" the other wasn't going to finish
in
> time..wanted to take a potential slow) and both show LAMENESS all over
their
> record though that is NOT the reason the riders pulled.
>
> Whatever statistics AERC was trying to get become very unrealistic..so
what
> IS the point??
>
> THERE IS NOTHING BUT NEGATIVE TO BE GAINED FROM LISTING NAMES!!!
> 1. LYING
> 2.  RIDING ON WHEN YOU KNOW YOU SHOULD QUIT
> 3.  HURTING THE HORSE IN THE LONGRUN
>
> Now for the management headaches.  Do I list "Sally-Jo" as RO or L?  I
> didn't see her horse, I didn't talk to her.  All I have is a vet card that
> says rider pulled...lame.  I can see the day when riders call me months
> later furious they have METABOLIC or LAMENESS on their horses' records,
when
> the vet did not PULL them, the CHOSE to pull (however you want to
interpret
> that).
>
> As a ride manager of two rides, and also on the AERC ride management
> committee, I am very much opposed to listing names (I don't care if they
> list numbers...without names they would be much more valid).  I am
> considering protesting this by listing all of my rider pulls as RIDER
> OPTION...I feel this strongly about encouraging the three negatives listed
> above.
>
> Louise Burton
> Firedance Farms Endurance Arabians
> Oklahoma
> http://pages.prodigy.net/firedancefarms
>
>
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