Re: Karahty - facts and misconceptions PLEASE READ!!

["GESA BRINKS" <gesaeqfx@pe.net>]

I just read Wendy Lumberts message to RC.  I had deleted all of the posts
without reading much of them, re Dolly and her stallions.  I have been at a
ride at sometime or another where Dolly had one of her stallions.  Curiously
enough I was at the one where the stallion bred the mare in camp.
Yup,  --it happens.  I found Dolly to be a very nice person.  She had one of
the first fully self contained goosenecks I had ever seen and opened it up
to my friend and I to gawk all we wanted.  I might add that it was raining
pretty good at the time and she didnt even care that we were dripping on her
floors.   I am a bit disheartened about the bashing that has been going on
too.  Those of you who call her stallions "unmannered "  because they squeal
, however, IMHO may have a point.  I have handled stallions and jacks most
of my life.  I was taught as were the gentleman equines , that a male equine
should not speak to another, unless invited to do so.  A squealing stallion
or braying donkey is like a barking dog.  Annoying to humans and can be
construed by another animal as a threat.   I consider a horse that squeals
(mares included) to be rude.  My horses , donkeys and mules are expected to
be ladies and gentlemen at all times.
Dolly sees the squealing as being a natural thing for a stallion to do.   If
her talking horses make you uncomfortable, I'm sure if you said something to
her she would make things right.  I know I sure would.  The few times that I
have been around her and any of her stallions, aside from the occasional
noise,  they were pretty well behaved.  They just went down the trail doing
their jobs like everyone else.  Just my 2 cents worth.  gesa n clovis n sky



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From: guest@endurance.net <guest@endurance.net>
To: ridecamp@endurance.net <ridecamp@endurance.net>
Date: Sunday, April 23, 2000 1:09 PM
Subject: RC: Karahty - facts and misconceptions PLEASE READ!!


>wendy Lumbert wendyl@jps.net
>This is to address some of the outright lies that have been stated
>over the last two days concerning Karahty and Dolly.  I have never seen so
much vicious slandering, lies and disrespect for
>anyone in my life. Makes you wonder what inspires it - jealousy,
>perhaps?  I have ridden with Dolly and her 4 stallions for 6 years
>now. Many times on a mare in heat. In back and two feet in front of the
stallion - and never had a worry that he would misbehave.
>I have watched her at the start of many rides, when each stallion stands in
perfect control, surrounded by many other horses that are not!! You can find
her at water stops in creeks
>surrounded by other horses, still no misbehaving. Since you all
>are so anxious to tell how awful Karahty and sons are - tell me
>ONE incident where a rider or horse was injured. (I will address
>the "mare raping" incident in a moment) NONE of Dolly's four
>stallions kick, bite or otherwise exhibit any vices.  NOW, I will
>tell you why those that don't KNOW Dolly or her stallions often
>perceive them as unruly - she lets them talk. Yes, they are
>allowed to exercise their vocal cords.  If you think that is awful
>then don't breed to them. But DO NOT lie about them being
>misbehaved - that is just YOUR perception about what is acceptable, and has
nothing to do with whether or not they are
>in control. I can assure you, those horses are in perfect control.
>   KERI must have a really poor memory as she states that she was at the
ride where "Karahty  got away and raped a mare."
>Amazing memory. It was Amadeus, who was trailered to the ride with a mare,
Audacity, who was in heat, and when tied next to her broke loose and bred
her. The owner was not upset and has bred more than once to Karahty since
then. It was an accident,
>and obviously not the only one in this world.
>  ENDURES TOO FAR - Dolly never has and never will take
>her stallion around to tease mares at a ride. If your mare responds to a
stallion's voice that is hardly his fault. You won't
>catch Dolly complaining if you stick your mare's butt in her
>stallion's face, she just deals with it.     I have been asked many
>times by stallion owners to pull my mare off the trail so they can
>get around.  I have seen Dolly literally 100s of times pass other
>horses on narrow trails and never once asked them to pull over
>for her. Her boys  might squeal, but they don't bite, kick or strike as
they pass by.  IF you are upset by the squealing maybe you
>should ride drugstore ponies, they are nice and quiet.
>  Steven McCrary - if you are insinuating that the owner makes
>her horses bad mannered you are right in principle but wrong if
>you are applying this to Dolly.  Energetic is not bad mannered.
>   NOW LISTEN UP!!  If all you Dolly and Karahty slammers want to state
some FACTS, then feel free. Otherwise, take your
>nasty mouths somewhere else.  If any of you had any inkling of
>how nice Dolly is you would be ashamed of yourselves. She is
>one of the kindest, humblest people I have ever known. She
>loves her stallions enough to let them express themselves as
>real stallions as long as they are not dangerous and in control.
>  By the way, anyone who seriously wants to see the quality
>and temperament Karahty produces, you may contact me and
>I will give you a list of 15 -20 of the nicest horses you have
>ever seen. Beautiful, athletic, sweet-tempered sons and daughters of
Karahty.  If their owners were on ridecamp you would have heard from them.
As it is, I can hardly stomach what
>I've seen the last few days and won't be reading much of this
>in the future myself. STEPH, I'm suprised you let this go on.
>Don't you own a nice Karahty baby yourself?
>wendy lumbert
>
>
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