RE: RE: Re: Re: Stallions in endurance

["Bob Morris" <bobmorris@rmci.net>]

Kathy:

You stated <<<It's just the statistics published are not proving much to me
since these
are progenitors of many other horses that are used for other uses besides
endurance.  I would rather work from the other end and see whichIt's just
the statistics published are not proving much to me since these
are progenitors of many other horses that are used for other uses besides
endurance.  I would rather work from the other end and see which stallions
are throwing winning get, rather than the stallion's ancestors, because the
genetic pool is much more generic the further back into the pedigree you go.
, rather than the stallion's ancestors, because the
genetic pool is much more generic the further back into the pedigree you
go.>>>

Please be advised, the se statistics have not been published, they have been
offered as results of a numerical exercise and were not intended to prove
anything. If you so desire to read into them any conclusion as to the
desirability of a particular line of breeding that then is exclusively your
own responsibility.

If you desire to, as you say, work from the other end, I would suggest that
you demonstrate to us your methodology. I sincerely hope you understand that
a stallion throwing winning get in endurance is not all that common. I would
be willing to assist you in any manner that I can.

Bob Morris
Morris Endurance Enterprises
Boise, ID


-----Original Message-----
From: Kathy Mayeda [mailto:kathy_mayeda@atce.com]
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 7:10 PM
To: Becky Huffman; ridecamp@endurance.net
Subject: RC: RE: Re: Re: Stallions in endurance


It sounds like you are deleting posts without really reading them
thoroughly, and reading only what you want to read into it and then
reacting.

I have no problem with people using genetic selection to breed the superior
endurance horse.  If I were to breed for endurance, I would certainly use
criteria based on stallion's performance, get;'s performance, conformation,
etc.   And if I were to buy a horse specifically for endurance, I would go
to an endurance breeder.  But I would not overlook another breeder's horses
just because their breeding material  was not used for endurance.  There are
quite a few breeders posting that they no longer breed for sales because the
money isn't there, so there is not a high percentage of Arabian breeders
breeding specifically for endurance.  What is wrong with "us" is that we
aren't spending the big bucks for our horses - and once we start spending
the big bucks, I bet we will see a big leap in narrowing the genetic pool
for endurance.  I hope that day comes for the many talented breeders out
there.

It's just the statistics published are not proving much to me since these
are progenitors of many other horses that are used for other uses besides
endurance.  I would rather work from the other end and see which stallions
are throwing winning get, rather than the stallion's ancestors, because the
genetic pool is much more generic the further back into the pedigree you go.




-----Original Message-----
From:	Becky Huffman [mailto:TOS@htcomp.net]
Sent:	Friday, April 21, 2000 1:52 PM
To:	ridecamp@endurance.net
Subject:	RC:  Re: Re: Stallions in endurance

----- Original Message -----
From: Becky Huffman <TOS@htcomp.net>> Obviously, the endurance successes
themselves are not genetic, but physical > and mental
characteristics/traits/types are.  Characteristics that > contribute to
a
horse being able to do the miles or not, or maybe he can do > them, but
he
needs a lot of, or special, management.

So now I am talking to myself,...  it is sunny outside, I should be
riding.

I delete a lot of ridecamp posts from people who are trying to ride
endurance on their 'beloved'.  I don't mean any offense, but for example
the
person earlier who was discussing problems because her horse had a long
back.  She has reasons for riding the horse she does, and I respect
that,
she made clear that she is aware of the problem and is working with it.

People post endlessly about horses that won't eat or drink enough, or
have
hoof angle and quality problems, etc... I could make quite a list...  my
point is that these are, for the most part, genetic traits.(Barring
incorrect care/management)

I am *Not* flaming anyone for using the horses that have available, or
have
a relationship with, but I think it is **Wonderful** that Selim and Bob
have
taken the time and effort to start on the kind of research that can
benefit
us all.  It amazes me that people will claim that you can't breed for an
endurance horse.  Every other sport in the world breeds specific lines
for
their people, what is wrong with us??!?!?!?!

Becky Huffman
Huffman's Arabians ~ The Original Series ~
http://www.htcomp.net/Huffman/






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