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In a message dated 4/21/00 8:51:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
Endure4fun@aol.com writes:

<<  I have been at rides where she has taken 
 her horse around mares to tease him.   I was at the ride where Karathy got 
away and mounted 
 the mare!  This is only one of the reasons I stay clear.  Yes, it was his 
 pedigree that was being talked about, but when I read how "great" this 
"team" 
 is and his attitude is being passed on to some of his get I'm sorry but I 
 really don't want that in one of my foals.
 As my vet says "It doesn't make any difference what the Sire or Dam did, it 
 is the Conformation and Attitude that are the thing to look for in 
 breeding!!!!!  
 Any one can get a horse "charged up" and haul down the trail, that does not 
 make for great breeding potential or for a Safe ride!!!!!
 I learn from experience and I stay away from them.
 That's all >>
There are some real truths in here, some that we find hard to accept, 
especially when that problem is in our barn. Indeed, a bad actor of any 
gender (or lack of) has no business being taken in public, nor being bred to 
continue a bad temperament. There are too many NICE horses to tolerate 
dangerous horses. I can tell you that any individual who would parade their 
stallion OR MARE about other horses in order to 'tease' or fire them up would 
take an INSTANT dislike to me, because that kind of stupidity wouldn't fly. 
It can't be said enough - when one takes a horse of ANY gender inpublic, he 
or she has an explicit OBLIGATION to do the SAFE thing ALL THE TIME. I 
personally am so paranoid about our own stallion EVER being a problem that I 
have a hard time believeing anyone could be SO STUPID as to do what is stated 
here, BUT...the past few years have shown me that too many people are far too 
willing to do the dangerous, selfish, underhanded and idiotic thing, no 
matter who it hurts. What I can't understand is why so few people are willing 
to stand up against these dangerous boobs. Of course, one gets cricified when 
one does - can't win can we?
s

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In a message dated 4/21/00 7:45:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, trails@jps.net 
writes:

<<   It maybe when you have ridden the same rides and the same
 horses on the same day, "can you ever hope" to know what another rider's
 experiences are and what they and their horses can do. It is not, so at
 least
 in Dolly's case.
 It is always easy to throw the stones about at someone, as
 you say " I'' stay Clear of them" as I have perceived your statement.
 I can >>

I am not "throwing stones"  I just know from experience what "this team" 
does!  So do a lot of other riders.  I have been at rides where she has taken 
her horse around mares to tease him.  Is this SAFE? I think not.  Did you 
read the other posts?  I was at the ride where Karathy got away and mounted 
the mare!  This is only one of the reasons I stay clear.  Yes, it was his 
pedigree that was being talked about, but when I read how "great" this "team" 
is and his attitude is being passed on to some of his get I'm sorry but I 
really don't want that in one of my foals.
As my vet says "It doesn't make any difference what the Sire or Dam did, it 
is the Conformation and Attitude that are the thing to look for in 
breeding!!!!!  
Any one can get a horse "charged up" and haul down the trail, that does not 
make for great breeding potential or for a Safe ride!!!!!
I learn from experience and I stay away from them.
That's all

Keri
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From: "steven" <trails@jps.net>
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Subject:  Karahty bloodlines - proven performance
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 07:30:44 -0700
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Dear Keri:
    I have had the pleasure of riding with Dolly and Karahty, as well as
Karahty's offspring on numerous occasions thru the years.
    If you think that Dolly and her horses, can do what they want just
because of their "name" You obviously have stayed Clear of them!!!!

    I have been there and have seen first hand including what politics have
taken
place at rides.

    If you have perceived that Dolly and her horses, can do as they want
because of their name you are sadly mistaken.

    The subject is about bloodlines and pedigree not about accusations about
rider's and their mounts.

    We ALL are EQUAL " or less", no matter our name or horses pedigree or
MILEAGE!!!!.
    It maybe when you have ridden the same rides and the same
horses on the same day, "can you ever hope" to know what another rider's
experiences are and what they and their horses can do. It is not, so at
least
in Dolly's case.
It is always easy to throw the stones about at someone, as
you say " I'' stay Clear of them" as I have perceived your statement.
I can not and will not speak for Dolly as she is more than able to speak for
herself, but I can tell all of my personal first hand knowledge of Dolly
after riding thousands of miles with this "Lady" and her horses. (Alas she
is not on the net).

    I am proud to be a friend of Dolly and Karahty's including his get. I
have the privilege of having one of their horses, a wonderful filly of
Karahty's and April, who is a joy to me everyday even though I haven't
ridden for a while.

I have been at the top and at the bottom of this sport and can make this
statement from my own personal experiences in this "SPORT". I have a bitter
taste in my mouth over many of the events that have taken place over the
years and for the good of the sport and the good trails, and have refrained
from attacking anyone or group on the Net, Press or in the Courts even
though in my mind at least they may have well deserved it.
steven


----- Original Message -----
From: <Endure4fun@aol.com>
To: <ridecamp@endurance.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 10:21 PM
Subject: RC: Fwd: RC: Karahty bloodlines - proven performance


> In a message dated 4/20/00 7:50:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> guest@endurance.net writes:
>
> << won and Best conditioned the Die Hard 50.
>      God only knows why this horse and his owner and rider, Dolly DeCair,
do
> not receive the recognition they deserve.  I for one
>  am astonished at the stories and lack of respect for this team.
>  And that's all I have to say about that.
>  wendy
>     >>
> If you have ridden any rides that this "team" were on you would know why
> "they" don't get much respect.  I have and I know.  If this "team" is
doing
> the same ride I am, I stay Clear of them!!!!  It is to bad that some well
> known riders can do what they want just because of their "name" We ALL are
> EQUAL no matter our name or horses pedigree or MILEAGE!!!!
>
> Keri
>



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